Could Endeavor Air be sold to SkyWest?
02-10-2019, 06:09 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
XJT forgave their section one scope to be sold, which was put out to a pilot vote. XJT was failing company with no prospects who traded section one to keep the company alive.
Our senior pilot group may have a few sell out section one if Delta said they were gonna shut us down, but the majority of pilots here will be hired somewhere else for similar money and possibly a flow, i think they'd ride this thing in hard.
If you have a scenario that fits with us surrendering our contract lemme know
Our senior pilot group may have a few sell out section one if Delta said they were gonna shut us down, but the majority of pilots here will be hired somewhere else for similar money and possibly a flow, i think they'd ride this thing in hard.
If you have a scenario that fits with us surrendering our contract lemme know
It's an unlikely scenario, yeah, but I wouldn't bet money either for or against it.
02-10-2019, 06:37 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
So you have nothing to back up your statement! Delta has and will shift ramp services. DGS is doing just fine and the product speaks to that.
Thinking about your bizarre reaction, when in fact DGS isn't objectively a good ramp, is puzzling. DGS can be a bad service service and Delta still be a good company. They're bad at managing regionals too, which is why we're the best paid, you can talk to any of the senior people that had their head out of the sand for that. Union guys can usually give you a good date by date of how we are where we are. Delta isnt bad because DGS is bad. The refinery is being offered up for sale too, which was a mistake, but if oil shot up Delta would have been well insulated. Delta is still a good company despite a couple wrong turns. You're still weird though, exemplified by your posts.
A couple months Delta the public company will have some numbers for the investors, I'm interested as always to read it. Giving an asset (dgs) to another company to manage in exchange delta gives away their ownership is a fairly simple and telling move. You can see that by the joint flowery release.
02-10-2019, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ninerdriver
Take some starry eyed FOs who just got off reserve, still have 12+ months to upgrade, and have dreams of fancy Ejets and potentially faster upgrades. I don't think we have enough of those to make it happen, but those folks plus enough jaded captains could do it. MSP and DTW are a lot more junior at OO.
It's an unlikely scenario, yeah, but I wouldn't bet money either for or against it.
It's an unlikely scenario, yeah, but I wouldn't bet money either for or against it.
Edit: although i fully admit nothing is going to happen as fast as sold on. Not a big deal- but certainly if a pilot sees better opportunity somewhere else go get it.
02-10-2019, 07:23 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
Wow. Holy crap this is a weird conversation. DGS wasnt doing fine, thats why mainline ramp is taking it back at important airports. That's why Delta wants someone else to manage it. Those are facts. If you get bored sometime, ask senior managers why we are doing latency checks. I'll give you a hint, it's got nothing to do with pilots as weve been trying to turn it into on the boards.
Thinking about your bizarre reaction, when in fact DGS isn't objectively a good ramp, is puzzling. DGS can be a bad service service and Delta still be a good company. They're bad at managing regionals too, which is why we're the best paid, you can talk to any of the senior people that had their head out of the sand for that. Union guys can usually give you a good date by date of how we are where we are. Delta isnt bad because DGS is bad. The refinery is being offered up for sale too, which was a mistake, but if oil shot up Delta would have been well insulated. Delta is still a good company despite a couple wrong turns. You're still weird though, exemplified by your posts.
A couple months Delta the public company will have some numbers for the investors, I'm interested as always to read it. Giving an asset (dgs) to another company to manage in exchange delta gives away their ownership is a fairly simple and telling move. You can see that by the joint flowery release.
Thinking about your bizarre reaction, when in fact DGS isn't objectively a good ramp, is puzzling. DGS can be a bad service service and Delta still be a good company. They're bad at managing regionals too, which is why we're the best paid, you can talk to any of the senior people that had their head out of the sand for that. Union guys can usually give you a good date by date of how we are where we are. Delta isnt bad because DGS is bad. The refinery is being offered up for sale too, which was a mistake, but if oil shot up Delta would have been well insulated. Delta is still a good company despite a couple wrong turns. You're still weird though, exemplified by your posts.
A couple months Delta the public company will have some numbers for the investors, I'm interested as always to read it. Giving an asset (dgs) to another company to manage in exchange delta gives away their ownership is a fairly simple and telling move. You can see that by the joint flowery release.
Northwest did it, Delta does it.
I've see it happen several times since 2001 between the two.
02-10-2019, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
They always revamp their ground services.
Northwest did it, Delta does it.
I've see it happen several times since 2001 between the two.
Northwest did it, Delta does it.
I've see it happen several times since 2001 between the two.
02-10-2019, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
I don't think anyone is denying they are revamping their service. Just the reasons why. I don't think argen is a final fix either
Keeps costs down.
02-10-2019, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
Wow. Holy crap this is a weird conversation. DGS wasnt doing fine, thats why mainline ramp is taking it back at important airports. That's why Delta wants someone else to manage it. Those are facts. If you get bored sometime, ask senior managers why we are doing latency checks. I'll give you a hint, it's got nothing to do with pilots as weve been trying to turn it into on the boards.
Thinking about your bizarre reaction, when in fact DGS isn't objectively a good ramp, is puzzling. DGS can be a bad service service and Delta still be a good company. They're bad at managing regionals too, which is why we're the best paid, you can talk to any of the senior people that had their head out of the sand for that. Union guys can usually give you a good date by date of how we are where we are. Delta isnt bad because DGS is bad. The refinery is being offered up for sale too, which was a mistake, but if oil shot up Delta would have been well insulated. Delta is still a good company despite a couple wrong turns. You're still weird though, exemplified by your posts.
A couple months Delta the public company will have some numbers for the investors, I'm interested as always to read it. Giving an asset (dgs) to another company to manage in exchange delta gives away their ownership is a fairly simple and telling move. You can see that by the joint flowery release.
Thinking about your bizarre reaction, when in fact DGS isn't objectively a good ramp, is puzzling. DGS can be a bad service service and Delta still be a good company. They're bad at managing regionals too, which is why we're the best paid, you can talk to any of the senior people that had their head out of the sand for that. Union guys can usually give you a good date by date of how we are where we are. Delta isnt bad because DGS is bad. The refinery is being offered up for sale too, which was a mistake, but if oil shot up Delta would have been well insulated. Delta is still a good company despite a couple wrong turns. You're still weird though, exemplified by your posts.
A couple months Delta the public company will have some numbers for the investors, I'm interested as always to read it. Giving an asset (dgs) to another company to manage in exchange delta gives away their ownership is a fairly simple and telling move. You can see that by the joint flowery release.
The oil refinery was a serious mistake on Delta’s part. The cost of the raw product does not change that mistake. Oil can go back to 140 a barrel and the refinery will still be a mistake. In order to try and lose less money Delta has cut the refinery way back on jet fuel production to more profitable distillates. They want it gone.
DGS was not given away. Delta retains 49% ownership in the new company.
02-10-2019, 08:34 AM
#38
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Originally Posted by Dingus
We need to get our voices heard. Delta executives need to sell Endeavor Air to SkyWest. It would be a win win for the pilots if we got a decent seniority merge. We'd be on the team that gets all the new airplanes of both types. We wouldn't have union dues. Guys who worked previous 121 jobs would get pay based on overall experience. Come on Delta, sell us to SkyWest so we can experience what it's like to be the REAL gold standard.
There.
You're welcome.
02-10-2019, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Most of your post I don’t really understand. A couple of things I do get. Latency checks are because many of the pushback times are fantasy. I commute often on our connection carriers. It’s extremely rare to see the out time reflect the actual push time. Often the difference is substantial. You can’t run a good operation without understanding where the issues are. False out times mask the issues.
The oil refinery was a serious mistake on Delta’s part. The cost of the raw product does not change that mistake. Oil can go back to 140 a barrel and the refinery will still be a mistake. In order to try and lose less money Delta has cut the refinery way back on jet fuel production to more profitable distillates. They want it gone.
DGS was not given away. Delta retains 49% ownership in the new company.
The oil refinery was a serious mistake on Delta’s part. The cost of the raw product does not change that mistake. Oil can go back to 140 a barrel and the refinery will still be a mistake. In order to try and lose less money Delta has cut the refinery way back on jet fuel production to more profitable distillates. They want it gone.
DGS was not given away. Delta retains 49% ownership in the new company.
Anyway, the refinery would have worked fine at 140 a barrel but the "fundamentals" of oil have changed since the 140 barrel days, thanks in part to fraking, you shouldn't see anything above 100 for a while. Plus the middle east oil cartel might break up due to different countries wanting to exact a little higher price than what the saudis want. I wouldn't dump on the refinery decision too much, they werent fortune tellers.
02-10-2019, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
Would you at least face that they went from 100% to 49% ownership (or some other number)? Im still waiting for a document saying what percent is what. Stakeholder usually doesn't point to much ownership. In bankruptcy court we'd be called a stakeholder. Its a private company so you have no minority investor protection like a public. With a couple additional metrics they can probably keep them honest by whatever contract they agreed to.
Anyway, the refinery would have worked fine at 140 a barrel but the "fundamentals" of oil have changed since the 140 barrel days, thanks in part to fraking, you shouldn't see anything above 100 for a while. Plus the middle east oil cartel might break up due to different countries wanting to exact a little higher price than what the saudis want. I wouldn't dump on the refinery decision too much, they werent fortune tellers.
Anyway, the refinery would have worked fine at 140 a barrel but the "fundamentals" of oil have changed since the 140 barrel days, thanks in part to fraking, you shouldn't see anything above 100 for a while. Plus the middle east oil cartel might break up due to different countries wanting to exact a little higher price than what the saudis want. I wouldn't dump on the refinery decision too much, they werent fortune tellers.
The refinery does not save Delta any more at 50 a barrel then 140 a barrel. It’s strickly the amount they can reduce the crack spread which is the same. In the case of Jet Fuel they were seeing about a 7 cent per gallon reduction. The other refineries dropped their crack spread and all the other airlines paid the same for fuel as Delta. They gained nothing.
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