How many ahead of me?
07-07-2021, 02:40 PM
#61
Porco Rosso
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Still at it. Here we go.
.Hire date / Pilots ahead of you
...1Q 2017 / 0
..Apr 2017 / 18
..May 2017 / 20
06-05-2017 / 22
06-19-2017 / 26
07-10-2017 / 31
07-24-2017 / 35
08-07-2017 / 40
08-21-2017 / 43
09-05-2017 / 48
09-18-2017 / 56
10-02-2017 / 63
10-16-2017 / 73
10-30-2017 / 94
11-13-2017 / 111
11-27-2017 / 128
12-11-2017 / 147
01-08-2018 / 170
01-22-2018 / 189
02-12-2018 / 201
02-26-2018 / 217
03-12-2018 / 226
03-26-2018 / 237
04-09-2018 / 246
04-23-2018 / 256
05-07-2018 / 263
05-21-2018 / 275
06-04-2018 / 283
06-18-2018 / 288
- These counts are based on the 7/6/2021 ISL.
- "Pilots ahead of you" means FOs ahead of you. It doesn't include people in your class.
- PHTs are not included, because they don't impact available seats.
- FOs hired before 2017 are not included. If you were hired before 2017 and are planning to upgrade... I had to draw a line somewhere. No offense intended.
- Classes after June 2018 are not included.
- I have no idea when any of these folks are going to upgrade. Want to speculate wildly? Be my guest. Please don't ask me.
.Hire date / Pilots ahead of you
...1Q 2017 / 0
..Apr 2017 / 18
..May 2017 / 20
06-05-2017 / 22
06-19-2017 / 26
07-10-2017 / 31
07-24-2017 / 35
08-07-2017 / 40
08-21-2017 / 43
09-05-2017 / 48
09-18-2017 / 56
10-02-2017 / 63
10-16-2017 / 73
10-30-2017 / 94
11-13-2017 / 111
11-27-2017 / 128
12-11-2017 / 147
01-08-2018 / 170
01-22-2018 / 189
02-12-2018 / 201
02-26-2018 / 217
03-12-2018 / 226
03-26-2018 / 237
04-09-2018 / 246
04-23-2018 / 256
05-07-2018 / 263
05-21-2018 / 275
06-04-2018 / 283
06-18-2018 / 288
08-02-2021, 09:48 AM
#62
Porco Rosso
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21-04 final rev.0 update
Congrats to the new captains! We went deep into 2017 hires on this one.
.Hire date / Pilots ahead of you
...1Q 2017 / 0
...2Q 2017 / 17
..Jul 2017 / 29
..Aug 2017 / 34
09-05-2017 / 38
09-18-2017 / 42
10-02-2017 / 48
10-16-2017 / 54
10-30-2017 / 66
11-13-2017 / 80
11-27-2017 / 93
12-11-2017 / 108
01-08-2018 / 131
01-22-2018 / 150
02-12-2018 / 162
02-26-2018 / 178
03-12-2018 / 187
03-26-2018 / 198
04-09-2018 / 207
04-23-2018 / 217
05-07-2018 / 224
05-21-2018 / 236
06-04-2018 / 244
06-18-2018 / 249
- These counts are based on the 7/6/2021 ISL and the 21-04 final award rev.0.
- "Pilots ahead of you" means FOs ahead of you. It doesn't include people in your class.
- PHTs are not included, because they don't impact available seats.
- FOs hired before 2017 are not included. If you were hired before 2017 and are planning to upgrade... I had to draw a line somewhere. No offense intended.
- Classes after June 2018 are not included.
- I have no idea when any of these folks are going to upgrade. Want to speculate wildly? Be my guest. Please don't ask me.
.Hire date / Pilots ahead of you
...1Q 2017 / 0
...2Q 2017 / 17
..Jul 2017 / 29
..Aug 2017 / 34
09-05-2017 / 38
09-18-2017 / 42
10-02-2017 / 48
10-16-2017 / 54
10-30-2017 / 66
11-13-2017 / 80
11-27-2017 / 93
12-11-2017 / 108
01-08-2018 / 131
01-22-2018 / 150
02-12-2018 / 162
02-26-2018 / 178
03-12-2018 / 187
03-26-2018 / 198
04-09-2018 / 207
04-23-2018 / 217
05-07-2018 / 224
05-21-2018 / 236
06-04-2018 / 244
06-18-2018 / 249
08-05-2021, 08:34 AM
#64
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Posts: 44
Excuse my ignorance, but this may be helpful for all the new hires to understand these numbers... Can someone explain what the following acronym's that ninerdriver used are/mean?
ILS
PHTs
FTIs
Also why only class dates through June of 18? Is that to exclude people too low of time to become CA anyway?
ILS
PHTs
FTIs
Also why only class dates through June of 18? Is that to exclude people too low of time to become CA anyway?
08-05-2021, 11:15 AM
#65
Porco Rosso
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Originally Posted by kinnard
Excuse my ignorance, but this may be helpful for all the new hires to understand these numbers... Can someone explain what the following acronym's that ninerdriver used are/mean?
ILS
PHTs
FTIs
Also why only class dates through June of 18? Is that to exclude people too low of time to become CA anyway?
ILS
PHTs
FTIs
Also why only class dates through June of 18? Is that to exclude people too low of time to become CA anyway?
ISL is the integrated seniority list.
PHTs are phantoms. These are pilots who are on the list, but they don't count toward the number of seats in a position. They include management pilots, pilots on long-term leave, and sometimes FTIs.
FTIs are flight training instructors. They're on the seniority list sometimes as "PHT" and other times as "FTI". They don't count toward the number of pilots in a seat either way.
I've only included pilots up to June 2018 because, until recently, they haven't had any realistic timeline for upgrading. That's related to both company time being too low and too many people ahead on the list. That's changing, so that'll probably change on the next update.
08-05-2021, 11:40 AM
#66
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Posts: 44
Originally Posted by ninerdriver
Sure.
ISL is the integrated seniority list.
PHTs are phantoms. These are pilots who are on the list, but they don't count toward the number of seats in a position. They include management pilots, pilots on long-term leave, and sometimes FTIs.
FTIs are flight training instructors. They're on the seniority list sometimes as "PHT" and other times as "FTI". They don't count toward the number of pilots in a seat either way.
I've only included pilots up to June 2018 because, until recently, they haven't had any realistic timeline for upgrading. That's related to both company time being too low and too many people ahead on the list. That's changing, so that'll probably change on the next update.
ISL is the integrated seniority list.
PHTs are phantoms. These are pilots who are on the list, but they don't count toward the number of seats in a position. They include management pilots, pilots on long-term leave, and sometimes FTIs.
FTIs are flight training instructors. They're on the seniority list sometimes as "PHT" and other times as "FTI". They don't count toward the number of pilots in a seat either way.
I've only included pilots up to June 2018 because, until recently, they haven't had any realistic timeline for upgrading. That's related to both company time being too low and too many people ahead on the list. That's changing, so that'll probably change on the next update.
09-07-2021, 12:35 PM
#67
Porco Rosso
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,522
Next round. The list is a little longer now, because things are moving quickly.
.Hire date / Pilots ahead of you
...1Q 2017 / 0
...2Q 2017 / 17
...3Q 2017 / 28
10-02-2017 / 43
10-16-2017 / 49
10-30-2017 / 60
11-13-2017 / 72
11-27-2017 / 84
12-11-2017 / 98
01-08-2018 / 119
01-22-2018 / 138
02-12-2018 / 150
02-26-2018 / 164
03-12-2018 / 173
03-26-2018 / 184
04-09-2018 / 193
04-23-2018 / 203
05-07-2018 / 209
05-21-2018 / 221
06-04-2018 / 228
06-18-2018 / 233
07-09-2018 / 236
07-23-2018 / 252
08-06-2018 / 258
08-20-2018 / 269
09-04-2018 / 277
09-17-2018 / 285
10-01-2018 / 292
10-15-2018 / 303
10-29-2018 / 315
11-12-2018 / 323
11-26-2018 / 335
12-10-2018 / 346
- These counts are based on the 9/3/2021 ISL.
- "Pilots ahead of you" means FOs ahead of you. It doesn't include people in your class.
- PHTs are not included, because they don't impact available seats.
- FOs hired before 2017 are not included. If you were hired before 2017 and are planning to upgrade... I had to draw a line somewhere. No offense intended.
- Classes after December 2018 are not included.
- I have no idea when any of these folks are going to upgrade. Want to speculate wildly? Be my guest. Please don't ask me.
.Hire date / Pilots ahead of you
...1Q 2017 / 0
...2Q 2017 / 17
...3Q 2017 / 28
10-02-2017 / 43
10-16-2017 / 49
10-30-2017 / 60
11-13-2017 / 72
11-27-2017 / 84
12-11-2017 / 98
01-08-2018 / 119
01-22-2018 / 138
02-12-2018 / 150
02-26-2018 / 164
03-12-2018 / 173
03-26-2018 / 184
04-09-2018 / 193
04-23-2018 / 203
05-07-2018 / 209
05-21-2018 / 221
06-04-2018 / 228
06-18-2018 / 233
07-09-2018 / 236
07-23-2018 / 252
08-06-2018 / 258
08-20-2018 / 269
09-04-2018 / 277
09-17-2018 / 285
10-01-2018 / 292
10-15-2018 / 303
10-29-2018 / 315
11-12-2018 / 323
11-26-2018 / 335
12-10-2018 / 346
09-08-2021, 06:35 AM
#68
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 309
Originally Posted by ninerdriver
Next round. The list is a little longer now, because things are moving quickly.
Thanks for doing these, BTW. I've long since upgraded, but it's still really interesting to read.
09-29-2021, 06:05 PM
#69
Porco Rosso
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Congrats to the new captains! The new captain plug is a January 2018 hire.
We only have about forty active pilots left who were hired in the first half of 2019, so they're on the list now, too.
.Hire date / Pilots ahead of you
...1Q 2017 / 0
...2Q 2017 / 16
...3Q 2017 / 24
10-02-2017 / 34
10-16-2017 / 39
10-30-2017 / 43
11-13-2017 / 50
11-27-2017 / 58
12-11-2017 / 65
01-08-2018 / 73
01-22-2018 / 84
02-12-2018 / 90
02-26-2018 / 104
03-12-2018 / 113
03-26-2018 / 124
04-09-2018 / 133
04-23-2018 / 143
05-07-2018 / 149
05-21-2018 / 161
06-04-2018 / 168
06-18-2018 / 173
07-09-2018 / 176
07-23-2018 / 192
08-06-2018 / 198
08-20-2018 / 209
09-04-2018 / 217
09-17-2018 / 225
10-01-2018 / 232
10-15-2018 / 243
10-29-2018 / 255
11-12-2018 / 263
11-26-2018 / 275
12-10-2018 / 286
01-22-2019 / 302
02-19-2019 / 310
03-18-2019 / 315
04-15-2019 / 320
05-20-2019 / 325
06-17-2019 / 333
We only have about forty active pilots left who were hired in the first half of 2019, so they're on the list now, too.
- These counts are based on the 9/3/2021 ISL and the 21-05 final award rev.0.
- "Pilots ahead of you" means FOs ahead of you. It doesn't include people in your class.
- PHTs are not included, because they don't impact available seats.
- FOs hired before 2017 are not included. If you were hired before 2017 and are planning to upgrade... I had to draw a line somewhere. No offense intended.
- Classes after June 2019 are not included.
- I have no idea when any of these folks are going to upgrade. Want to speculate wildly? Be my guest. Please don't ask me.
.Hire date / Pilots ahead of you
...1Q 2017 / 0
...2Q 2017 / 16
...3Q 2017 / 24
10-02-2017 / 34
10-16-2017 / 39
10-30-2017 / 43
11-13-2017 / 50
11-27-2017 / 58
12-11-2017 / 65
01-08-2018 / 73
01-22-2018 / 84
02-12-2018 / 90
02-26-2018 / 104
03-12-2018 / 113
03-26-2018 / 124
04-09-2018 / 133
04-23-2018 / 143
05-07-2018 / 149
05-21-2018 / 161
06-04-2018 / 168
06-18-2018 / 173
07-09-2018 / 176
07-23-2018 / 192
08-06-2018 / 198
08-20-2018 / 209
09-04-2018 / 217
09-17-2018 / 225
10-01-2018 / 232
10-15-2018 / 243
10-29-2018 / 255
11-12-2018 / 263
11-26-2018 / 275
12-10-2018 / 286
01-22-2019 / 302
02-19-2019 / 310
03-18-2019 / 315
04-15-2019 / 320
05-20-2019 / 325
06-17-2019 / 333
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