Downgrade/Displacement Q's
06-03-2020, 04:18 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by JonGoodsell764
Based on your proclaimed wealth of experience and "I've been around the block" machismo, I really do think you could be an asset to this forum. You could provide valuable insight and factual information to some of the newer pilots who haven't been through this song and dance before. Instead you chose to peacock like an internet hardo spreading fear and doubt based on virtually zero factual evidence. Your continued pompous tone and general display of buffoonery is nothing short of embarrassing. It'd be one thing if you kept the spewing of verbal diarrhea to this thread, but you're all over APC talking out of your a**. Congratulations, you win the internet, you are the sky god who knows all and the rest of us are mere plebs.
Can anyone answer the OPs question since we are now on page 3 of the thread hijacking?
Can anyone answer the OPs question since we are now on page 3 of the thread hijacking?
LOA doesn’t apply, if you are a FO, you get FO pay. If you are a CA, CA pay.
06-03-2020, 05:31 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by JonGoodsell764
Based on your proclaimed wealth of experience and "I've been around the block" machismo, I really do think you could be an asset to this forum. You could provide valuable insight and factual information to some of the newer pilots who haven't been through this song and dance before. Instead you chose to peacock like an internet hardo spreading fear and doubt based on virtually zero factual evidence. Your continued pompous tone and general display of buffoonery is nothing short of embarrassing. It'd be one thing if you kept the spewing of verbal diarrhea to this thread, but you're all over APC talking out of your a**. Congratulations, you win the internet, you are the sky god who knows all and the rest of us are mere plebs.
Can anyone answer the OPs question since we are now on page 3 of the thread hijacking?
Can anyone answer the OPs question since we are now on page 3 of the thread hijacking?
I did answer it, Pal. The LOA expired December 31st 2015. And I doubt the company will agree to another LOA protecting CA pay. The whole point in downgrading is to save $$$$$$$
06-03-2020, 05:55 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by Rayjay
I did answer it, Pal. The LOA expired December 31st 2015. And I doubt the company will agree to another LOA protecting CA pay. The whole point in downgrading is to save $$$$$$$
06-03-2020, 06:15 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by preflight
Would this perhaps be a good time to suggest the reps look into dual seat qualification? Reserve dual seat qualified can fill in for both FO and CA sick calls while still getting CA pay. Saves the company money and keeps those employed with higher pay rates.
Ehh. Let me counter argue that. At other regionals, their CA's are dual qualed which makes downgrading easier. Here at Endeavor, it cost money to downgrade (training cost, OE etc) which can be an incentive to downgrade less CA's. Or downgrade CA's over a longer period of time.
And at other carriers that have dual qualed CA's, there is usually a blended rate for flying in the right seat. Horrible idea IMO.
06-03-2020, 07:15 AM
#35
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Originally Posted by Rayjay
I did answer it, Pal. The LOA expired December 31st 2015. And I doubt the company will agree to another LOA protecting CA pay. The whole point in downgrading is to save $$$$$$$
06-03-2020, 07:39 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by gojo
I sure hope that they don’t entertain that idea again!!!!! That pill was hard to swallow. I myself was a junior captain on reserve occasionally flying with downgraded captains still retaining their captain pay. They were all ex Colgan, I believe. Anyway, they were actually making more money than reserve captains because they were bidding as a senior FO and getting 18-20 days off and picking up trips. They still had more days off than reserve captains, with a much better quality of life. Most open time trips back then were at 200%. There were many unhappy captains and Fo’s back then regarding the company’s, but mostly the Union for allowing that preferential treatment to Colgan downgrades
06-03-2020, 07:54 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by gojo
I sure hope that they don’t entertain that idea again!!!!! That pill was hard to swallow. I myself was a junior captain on reserve occasionally flying with downgraded captains still retaining their captain pay. They were all ex Colgan, I believe. Anyway, they were actually making more money than reserve captains because they were bidding as a senior FO and getting 18-20 days off and picking up trips. They still had more days off than reserve captains, with a much better quality of life. Most open time trips back then were at 200%. There were many unhappy captains and Fo’s back then regarding the company’s, but mostly the Union for allowing that preferential treatment to Colgan downgrades
06-03-2020, 08:19 PM
#40
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Originally Posted by Rayjay
I did answer it, Pal. The LOA expired December 31st 2015. And I doubt the company will agree to another LOA protecting CA pay. The whole point in downgrading is to save $$$$$$$
