Downgrade/Displacement Q's
06-03-2020, 08:30 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by DeltaCorrectons
I have to admit RayRay is correct the LOA did expire but the previous LOAs did happen on a downturn so such negotiations could still be had if downgrades were to come. Where he brings up the whole idea is cost saving yes this is correct but cost savings is much more then an hourly rate it’s benefits (very large) and training so if they were to cut pilots there is a chance at CA pay for downgrades but it’s not a sure things.
06-04-2020, 04:56 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by Avroman
LOA 50 (captain pay protection) was because the FO's were fleeing by the dozens a week. We couldn't staff this place and had CRJ 200's collecting dust from lack of FO's to fly them. Thanks to the bankruptcy pay rates, it was better to take a job at McDonalds as shift manager than fly a plane here at 8 year seniority. We had a mass exodus of FO's leaving for other airlines willing to hire them as either street captains or the captain qual FO deals. As fast as we downgraded a class of captains and cut their pay, they bailed. LOA 50 was a way to stop losing pilots before the 900s started getting parked (we were within about 2-3 months at the pace we were bleeding) It should have been implemented as a temporary pay at the least to all downgraded captains, if not all pilots on property but it was not, partly because it was a way to squash a lawsuit that had been filed by some that had been hosed in the seniority arbitration, and to that end, it also worked. Today there's nowhere else to go so no bleeding of bodies off the bottom, thus no repeat of LOA 50.
Speaking strictly for myself, the day my Captain pay is reduced will likely be my last day here...
06-04-2020, 06:33 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by preflight
Well, it hasn't happened, but if it does, "gonna party like it's nineteen ninety-nine!"
06-04-2020, 03:45 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle
I would not listen to this guy. He is just a want-to-be Captain that is ****ed off because now he is stuck in the right seat for God knows how long!
06-04-2020, 03:50 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by Rayjay
I did answer it, Pal. The LOA expired December 31st 2015. And I doubt the company will agree to another LOA protecting CA pay. The whole point in downgrading is to save $$$$$$$
06-04-2020, 03:54 PM
#48
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What did you guys think of the downgraded CAs that would come to work still wearing 4 stripes? I thought it was weird. Yes, they had earned it and yes they were downgraded through no fault of their own, but I thought it was weird seeing two captains frequently.
06-04-2020, 04:01 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by ASAPsafetyGUY
What did you guys think of the downgraded CAs that would come to work still wearing 4 stripes? I thought it was weird. Yes, they had earned it and yes they were downgraded through no fault of their own, but I thought it was weird seeing two captains frequently.
06-04-2020, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ASAPsafetyGUY
What did you guys think of the downgraded CAs that would come to work still wearing 4 stripes? I thought it was weird. Yes, they had earned it and yes they were downgraded through no fault of their own, but I thought it was weird seeing two captains frequently.
