I was wondering if I was the only one that caught/thought that ;)

I was referring to the company actually doing the work and applying "The Bloch".

They're "Endeavoring"

You're so clever!

Does anyone have any idea of when the SLI members are meeting with the Bloch-hole?

Now why would you want any of that info? This week should be good enough. It is not like the award coming up affects any of our lives.

I choose to look at it as the longer it takes to come out... the longer my life stays the same. A lot less stressful that way.

Yesterday.

Well, that's good to know.


Do you know if he gave an answer?

Or are we now waiting for that.

Supposedly, a week, to a couple weeks to get an answer. What a fraud that guy is......rack up those billable hours buddy.

If he comes back with new intel on how his award works now, I would almost think that we should be able to re-bid based on the new information.

Do you blame him? I still remember before this process started as part of the process and protocol agreement all 3 pilot group union leaders decided to use only one arbitrator - Bloch. Every legacy airline has used several for SLI purposes (Delta/NWA, United/CAL). But these guys thought they were smart and would stick with just one.

Frankly, Bloch should milk it as much and as long as he can. Hopefully a harsh lesson learned for the 9E union "leaders."

It's not the union leaders, it's the conflict of interest in ALPA rearing its ugly head. What should have happened is the 9E MEC should have sued the Colgan group, and tied the SLI up in court for years over the 2007 scope violation. If that had happened, the Colgan pilots would be choosing between a staple job or nothing. That did not happen because of the ALPA merger policy.

Right now ALPA is fighting the Emirates thing to protect Delta pilots, but I'm sure if ALPA could represent the Emirates pilots, that fight would disappear so fast your head would spin. Just wait till ALPA gets the ability to represent foreign nationals with the ab-intio and cabotage programs. We pilots will be lucky to get jobs at McDonald's after that happens. Let's just hope they pay $15 an hour by then.

Bloch's ruling
 

Fellow Pilots,

Arbitrator Bloch has ruled that the DRC had the jurisdiction to provide the Dec 2012 interpretation of the Conditions and Restrictions contained within the Bloch Award. Realignment 13-02 was processed utilizing the Dec 2012 interpretation, and we have asked the Company to publish 13-02 now that Arbitrator Bloch has ruled.

As Pinnacle was below 541 CRJ-200 CA postions, no premerger Pinnacle pilot was displaced from the CRJ-200 CA position by a Mesaba or Colgan pilot. Mesaba pilots could displace to the CRJ-200 CA position provided there was a junior premerger Mesaba or Colgan pilot to displace in the CRJ-200 CA position. Colgan pilots could displace to CRJ-200 CA position provided there was a junior Colgan pilot to displace in the CRJ-200 CA position. Colgan could also displace to the CRJ-200 CA position provided a junior Mesaba pilot was in the CRJ-200 position and such a displacement would not cause Mesaba to maintain less than 100 CRJ-200 CA positions.

The Endeavor Air DRC

You are a tool. That is all.

What does this mean? More importantly what does Shy Guy think?!?!

It means, it's published......

Finally.

This place is gonna fall apart

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You were purchased by Pinnacle management in 2007 to be an alter ego to the 9E pilots. ALPA saved you at the expense of other Pinnacle pilots, it's the truth.

I understand the hostility toward Colgan guys from pre-merger 9E pilots, but as a Mesaba driver why the hate?

Wow some guys are insane. What say did the pilots have in any of this? I don't understand hostility to any pilot just because he's Colgan or Pinnacle or any other airline. If you're a tool then you're a tool. Colgan had them, Pinnacle had them, Mesaba had them, ExpressJet has them, Southwest has them. Point is that it's not the group, It's the individual and if you attack a group then you too are a tool. If you're upset about how unfair the SLI was to you then take it out on Mr. Blotch.

What say do any pilots have anywhere? Maybe if we focused on positive things we wouldn't be where we are today.

Thank you, ALPA.

Ahhhh, he called me a tool??

Look, you may believe what happened here was beyond our control, but it wasn't. There were a series of missteps by the union in order to paint our situation as a success story. It was, until it wasn't. We should focus on what we did wrong as to prevent it from happening in the future.

This situation would be exactly the same as Delta buying 777's to operate at 9E. The Delta pilots would easily win a cease and desist from the court system, but the remedy winding up being an ALPA merger policy/Allegheny-Mohawk type SL integration. No that should not happen.

9E management purchased Q400's for the Colgan group as a scope violation to the 9E pilots. There should have never been an SLI between groups, the planes should have transferred to Pinnacle and that was the end of it.


"ALPA Defeats Pinnacle Management in Arbitration

An arbitrator has ruled that Pinnacle Airlines Corp. and Pinnacle Airlines, Inc., functioned as alter egos to sidestep the Pinnacle pilots’ contract. The pilots won a significant victory when the arbitrator ruled that management had violated the pilots’ contractual rights when it refused to meet and discuss labor protection issues with them after Pinnacle Corp. bought Colgan Air in early 2007.

Pinnacle Airlines, Inc., is a wholly owned subsidiary of Pinnacle Airlines Corp. The arbitrator found that PNCL and PAI were alter egos functioning as a single employer at the time of the Colgan purchase. Relying on separate corporate structures, Pinnacle Airlines Corp. alleged that it was not legally bound by the contract that the pilots had signed with Pinnacle Airlines, Inc.

“Our pilots knew that Pinnacle management was playing games—we simply built the case,” says Capt. John Prater, ALPA's president. “This victory shows the strength of a resourceful union—we put a lot of manpower behind this pilot group, and they came out of this arbitration with another win.”

“This is a major victory for us,” says Capt. Scott Erickson, the Pinnacle MEC chairman. “The arbitrator recognized the corporate shell game this management has been trying to play and saw through its pathetic attempt to create an alter ego company to sidestep the legally binding contract it signed with us in 1999.”
The arbitrator ruled that Pinnacle’s “consistent failure to distinguish between the two corporate entities provides persuasive evidence that Pinnacle Airlines Corp. (PNCL) and Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. (PAI) were alter egos functioning as a single employer at the time of PNCL's acquisition of Colgan,” and concluded, “… because PNCL and PAI were alter egos functioning as a single employer when PNCL acquired Colgan …” the company violated the labor protection section of the collective bargaining agreement with the pilots.

“We are very pleased with the arbitrator’s recognition that Pinnacle violated our contract when they refused to negotiate with us after buying Colgan Air,” Erickson said. “We hope this ruling puts an end to managements’ continued quest to deny us our contractual rights, prompting it to negotiate a contract that adequately compensates us for our dedication and sacrifice to this airline.”

The Pinnacle pilots began collective bargaining with management under Section 6 of the Railway Labor Act in February 2005, and the agreement under which the pilots currently work became amendable in May 2005. Thus, Pinnacle pilots and management have been in contract negotiations for more than 3 years. A mediator assigned by the National Mediation Board has been involved in the process since fall 2006."

All true. But get to the part where it's any if the pilot's fault.

I just got done flying with an ex Colgan guy who is was hired
around the same time I was. He was bragging about how many days off he has and how he wants to pick up trips, while original 9E guys who was in my new hire class are getting downgraded. Fine I not mad at the guy just because he ex Colgan, some are good guys but bragging about how good you have it is just wrong.

That type of bragging is exactly what gives us former Colgan guys and gals a bad rep.

I'm just thankful I still have a job after this mess of poo. And I'm counting my lucky stars that I didn't lose a stripe.

I'm sorry he was bragging. Completely inappropriate and not a reflection of most Colgan pilots. We are actually a pretty great group of guys.

I can't wait to get out of this career death trap that is Pinnacle/Endeavor. :(

I wish people would channel their energy away from anger and towards getting out. It will continue to get easier to get out as more time goes by.

Bragging shows poor character no matter who you are. Don't tell me Colgan guys are less humble than Pinnacle guys though because we all have those guys with no class. Bragging is almost as bad as categorizing every pilot in a group in the same manner.

You must be a real bear to do a four day with :p I kid, I kid. You always seem really nice, really mellow. I see you are on the job hunt. I hope you get picked up sooner than later!

I flew with a guy like that last year, former 9L. Real piece of work, he was pretty famous over there. Initials C.P.

It's one thing to brag about your schedule because you've been at the company 15-20 years, but it's another thing with the guy I flew with, who was on paid vacation for 7 months. Jumping the fence. Bumping junior original 9E CA down. I got to hear about how great his time off was and how many days off he get to spend with his family while the ex 9E CA are getting downgraded. That's one of the lowest thing I've seen in the 7 years I've been here. You're right no one likes a bragger but I can go with out hearing how great the Colgan guys had it. I've flow with some great Colgan guys and I get along with just about anyone but this is something that shouldn't be talked about. Especially with premerger Pinnacle FO.

First off u don't have a clue what ur talking about. 7 months off doesn't mean he jumped the fence it means he was displaced. And bragging about spending time with his family? That's the only glimmer of hope in this industry. Had he been bragging about getting high and playing video games that would be another story. Nice try 9e silver boy.

Wait... What? 7 months off.. then boasting about NOT being able to pick up trips as a line-holder?


Yea, we should all feel sorry for the guy... He had expectations.. right?


(3 year RSV guy displaced to FO).... 7+ Year FO is my reality.

Where does he say that the guy boasted about not being able to pick up trips as a line holder? Or that he is even a line holder? Where did I say to feel sorry for the guy? My comments were to point out that he didn't jump the fence (CJC guy that wanted to fly the jet and bid it in that god awful bid). He got displaced if he was off for 7 months.

And let the record show I think u always have extremely level headed posts.

The point is that you have "moved on" and this topic is "Toxic". You could say the sky is blue, and it would be argued. Anyone starting with "7 months off" and then defended by "family" doesn't bode well. I asked my wife this question hypothetically, and she was livid for reference. Only the bottom 4-6 Pre-Merger CJC guys hold reserve currently, the rest hold lines, In the last few months to the tune of 14-18 days off depending on bid. This is great news, unless you see that pre-merger 9E guys are on reserve and now displaced to FO with 11 days off and far more longevity to the most junior LH.

This battle is about to go nuclear, as advice, I would avoid it and move on. Just $.02 knowing what is approaching.