Why is Endeavor confirmed to be at the FAPA job fair in Chicago? They hiring already?

Well it's gonna be pay for training... They figure that since were now owned by Delta they can get about 30K for training paid back over 10 years and when you upgrade at year 11 it should be square by then.
Then you'll be SSP material and on your way to the double breasted dream.

"Not Hiring yet, but at least we're not furloughing."

Barry Wilbur
Endeavor COO

Why would an airline that is suppose to lose over 100 airplanes by the end of 2014 be hiring? And what is their pitch going to be to get pilots to accept a job? Any new hire, at best, is going to be on eternal reserve but more than likely they are just temporary workers until being furloughed in the next 1-2 years. This company really backed themselves into a corner, at what point is Delta just going to give up?

Endeavor air logo has shown up on the airline apps front page...

That has been there for awhile... Nothing new.

Did you get new uniforms, when you got the new nifty name? Red ties?

The chick on the left has the "I could care less look" and the one on the right has her eyes shut. Kind of funny.

Why would anyone go to Bendover when GoJets is offering so much better a deal?

Cautious optimist here, but there could be a revised fleet plan by years end...there's lots of chatter about that. Also, Endeavor was at the recent Riddle Career Expo and numbers were circulating of wanting to attract 100-200 new hires beginning Q1 2014. It's all rumor though so we know how that goes.

Where do you get your numbers? The "original" fleet plan calls for a net loss of 16 airframes by August '14. Your numbers are flawed which essentially challenges the credibility of your entire post.

The initial plan, which has been revised numerous times, called for the 200's to be gone by the end of '15. This number has changed too many times to count. Management even admits it. Not saying that it won't happen, but we'll see. Delta doesn't mess around with their staffing numbers.

The credibility of my post? No bold predictions of any kind were made. The original plan was all 200s to be gone 2014, there is not and has not been any other "official" plan. Only brief remarks about a delay of this plan. I didn't know I needed to be credible to ask a simple question. Why are they hiring and when does Delta give up on this experiment?

This board is not where you would go for Credibility. Anyone who bases any decision based on information from these boards is a fool. Where anyone can post information by using not their real name but a made up name. ficitional.

just my .02

It was never 2014. Always been 2015. Do you work for this company?

No I don't, I work for a 2nd tier major but can't let this place go so I come on here to stir things up.

Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. Reaches Tentative Agreement with Air Line Pilots Association -- MEMPHIS, Tenn., Dec. 17, 2012 /PRNewswire/ --

2-3 years = 2014-2015. What is your point? Am I credible poster now because what I posted was backed up by an official press release? And do you have a point you are trying to prove? If so you aren't doing a very good job.

What pilot with an ATP and 1500 hrs would want to come to Endeavor? It's a deadend because Delta needs to park the 50 seaters in order for the 717 transition to happen. The DALPA contract clearly caps the 50 seaters at 125. While the actual fleet plan may change in terms of when the planes are parked the end state is still all 50 seaters gone and 81 CR9s only. So what FO wants to come to career stagnation? It isn't the pay. Bases? Compass offers the same and they actually have CAs that will be going to Delta guaranteed via flow and not some SSP crap. I still cannot see any reason(s) why any ATP/1500 hr pilot would come to Endeavor when there are so many better options all of whom are desperate.

Agree completely. I never wanted to go to pinnacle in the first place. Always sucked always will.

Butt out gay tony.

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Captain Trollny.

Nice of you to grace us underlings with your knowledge and wisdom.

What airline with any credibility would keep you on the roster when they see how you abuse the social media policy. How do you type so much what with the adhan blaring five times daily?
Oh and quit sending me PMs blowing me because they go straight into the trash.

Hmmm, I doubt it. It could be me though as I have become very skeptical when it comes to "good rumors" regarding Endeavor. I sometimes feel that these rumors are started only to keep us interested and slow attrition. My advice is to get out asap.

My point was no where does it officially say that we are losing our planes by the end of '14 which was the backbone for the reasoning in your post. I could quote the union email that says the end of '15, but then you would rebute. I can see it is impossible to post here without someone getting argumentative and defensive. But since your objective is to "stir things up" I'll bow out and won't give in to this nonsense. Carry on.

Yeah wow it doesn't take much for you to go over the ledge does it. I did not abuse any policy with what I wrote above.

Wow. Keep it classy guys

Nice try...but I think we lost the "class" on page 1

It gets worse. bonesbrigade reported my APC posts straight to my Chief Pilot in what I assume was an attempt to get me fired. Didn't call/private message me beforehand, didn't go through Pro-Standards. There are all sorts of pilots out there but the backstabbers are the worst.

I don't mind your posts as much as some other do. But when you write stuff on the boards that ****es a bunch of people off, some might be willing to go the extra mile to try and harm you in the real world. This why its best to use some restraint when posting on public boards, especially when everyone at your former airline knows who you are.

Not saying its right to do what that guy did but perhaps you should try not to **** off half of your former co workers with the stuff you post. Aviation is a small world, but I am sure you know that.

First of all, this is F-ed up. Pro-Stans is a unionist intra-personnel conflict resolution between crews working the flight deck together, nothing else. Reporting APC posts to Mgt? That's low, and pathetic. SHY, don't know you, nor your plight, but to hear this if true, is shocking. Who are the people we call our peers? Our colleagues? Our friends? Backstabbing baby whiners? Who would do such a thing?

This message board is a forum, a vent outlet, an entertainment source, a "tabloid" for airline goobers -- at best.

I've seen your posts, and others' who seem to be bothered by them; if someone actually ratted you out to your boss in an attempt to cause you harm with your employer that's just malicious. What would prompt someone to do such a thing?

How do we allow and foster such evil in our ranks? I certainly hope I don't find people like that in my pilot group.

Well said. And I can't take it for gospel since it's all hearsay, but if that were true it would be all kinds of effed up.

Shy,
You have been painting the target on ur back for a while. I still remember some users giving you the advice of not deliberately go around sticking your nose in other peoples business and ****ing everybody off. You didn't listen, this was bound to happen. You should've been smarter than that.

With that said, I think ratting you out to mngmt was a total b!tch move (if true).

If that's true he's almost a big of ***** as captain tony.

If this is true, bonesbrigade has the biggest case of aviation forum butthurt I have ever seen.

They make creams for that, bones. Apply heavy and often.

It's true I don't have the most popular of opinions. Most of them were scathing in regards to union decisions and other actions that led 9E to where they are. But nonetheless I have never personally issued an ill-will statement to any individual 9E/XJ/9L pilot.

What I wrote was true about posts being forwarded to the CP. I should preface by saying I cannot be 100% if it was bonesbrigade but based on post history, and multiple threats about me violating company social media policy, I put it at a fair 80% chance of his identity. Nothing came of the relatively informal meeting if for the simple fact I have not been libelous against my employer. If anything I should be accused of drinking the red KoolAid. No labor rule, no social media policy, nor any APC TOS were violated. Otherwise I would not be in the position I am today. One would think that APC is a place where thick skin should prevail because it is just an open forum. To bypass Pro Standards and go to management is the lowest move I can imagine. Now from this experience I have toned it down a lot as opposed to before. But there was nothing wrong with writing a legitimate fact about 9E being in a tough position to find any newhire FOs with ATP and 1500 hrs, which is met with a religious slur and a hypothetical how-are-you-still employed threat. That kind of problem goes deep in their personality and if this is the kind of loose cannon one is, then they shouldn't be flying commercial airliners.

I had no idea a pilot would have it in him to do that to another pilot, what a dbag. What are we in 3rd grade? If I was management I would just say "What the hell is this?" Followed by laughing after realizing the level of toolbagery has officially reached critical mass. The amount of fail taught to bonesbrigade during his youth must have been astronautical.

Holy hell, this must be a conspiracy! People are actually taking up for Shy! I know! Shy is actually bones and he created a fake persona that fights with himself, which he then blames for turning him into management! Brilliant way to get everyone on your side, Shy, but I see right through you! Haha

FYI, 93% of Pinnacle pilots consider most of your posts, and hanging out in front of the elevator to DTW ops in your VA uniform, "backstabbing." the other 7% don't have internet access.

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Wow. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. The nerve of some people.....

The elevator hangout story eh? I have had to commute through DTW on the way to YYZ. This was twice. I stopped to talk to someone I knew. Then this rumor started. Trust me I'm happy to be out of the pit that was BC concourse. If I have to go through that place again in 12 months it will be too soon. My posts are not backstabbing. That term is reserved for those who rat pilots out to managment. Or those who spread false rumors. Or in your case, spreading my first and last name to another APC individual in a PM. These kinds of antics are childish and backstabbing. Your current predicament was not my fault.

Hey don't shoot the messenger, that's how they really see it. But yeah, like nooobody on here knew who you were when i told him via PM (not public, you see.) If you don't want people to know who you are, you should remain low key and not PO so many coworkers. And what exactly is my current predicament that you imply is so bad, pray tell?