Frontier/Republic

And yes, it applies to any airline. Doesn't matter which market segments served

Then why cant a regional merge with a major when a regional gets bought by a major?

Mainline arrogance....Regionals pilots aren't cut from the same cloth....

Mainlines have permitted aircraft types in their scope contracts.

your options are;
A. let the scope go
B. merge

Because not all of us are qualified to be Double Breasted Van Admirals.

Given the selection process and what gathers at the top of regional lists, you're absolutely right. Many would make the cut, but there are some real doozies. I keep hearing your name, speaking of. :cool:

So i am curious does this mean there are no doozies at delta?

Oh, Heavens, No. All of the folks at Delta are pure hat wearing, sin free, perfect aviators.

They are very rare... less than 1% in my experience. Only one in 7 years that I've really disliked flying with, and he's walking a thin line on being fired. One more slip up by him and bye...

Many of us are not perfect (I for one), but many of us have cut our teeth on instructing, hauling freight, and flying air ambulance (I for one, ten years of commercial flying before I reached the holy 121 world).

Still, I can't seem to wear a double breasted suit correctly.

2 words, probation elimination.

That's a really freaking expensive option.

Ha, so is keeping them on here. DAL pays our bills too.

No, they are all perfect sky gods. They never land on taxiways or overfly their destination while they play on their computers....They are the best of the best and if you don't believe it...just ask them...:D

When deadheading on Delta now many of like to play a game called Delta or Northwest....Try and guess if they LDAL or LNWA....With about 98 percent reliability, you guess which side they came from.

I'm definitely not Delta material, your right. Don't miss enough radio calls and never ask how long the final is.

This point is lost on the Delta pilots. The fact is they are "de facto" Delta pilots in the eyes of the passengers and in practice. They are already flying Delta passengers in Delta painted airplanes. If they aren't "good enough", then they shouldn't be flying them at the DCI level either. This really is more about not be accepted into their world because you aren't good enough. This is why they don't even like flow throughs at Delta.

[QUOTE=JoeMerchant;1497572]When deadheading on Delta now many of like to play a game called Delta or Northwest....Try and guess if they LDAL or LNWA....With about 98 percent reliability, you guess which side they came from.

I'm definitely not Delta material, your right. Don't miss enough radio calls and never ask how long the final is.[/

PFT joe.

Don't forget wind checks and what number in line?!?

[QUOTE=dc10guy;1497635]I am going LDAL. I am sorry dc10guy I just had to. (i do not know if you are LDAL or LNWA just making a joke.)

[QUOTE=tom14cat14;1497666]Wrong(NERD). I can take a joke though. Just busting Joey.

[QUOTE=dc10guy;1497707]I am glad to see someone on here can take a joke.

Stop trying to reason! This is a Colgan bash thread!!

They are dangerous pilots!

Oh yeah - they are an alter-ego carrier! Scabs!!

The best is they have to be baby sat. Cue the Cjc incidents .... Lol.

Oh please. What an ill-informed post. Colgan existed because 9E bought them. Had it not been for the 9E buyout Colgan would have gone poof back then. After the purchase, the Qs flowed to a non-union Colgan while union Pinnacle was downgrading and displacing under a 9 year old contract while being told the ALPA proposal would bankrupt the company. This is straight from Union-Busting 101. But I guess you guys were too busy upgrading at 1500 hrs to see that. Oh and it's 9E's fault that Colgan hired the CA of 3407? Failed him along every possible training/checking event and put him in command that night? Sorry, but all those missteps belong to Colgan and Colgan alone. Colgan was an embarrassment to the airline industry and good riddance it's gone.

Because all of that was the Colgan pilot groups fault. But please lets continue to fight eachother over things we have no control over.

It's interesting how we managed to pass this crappy contract but yet keep fighting and disagreeing on forums. I have to admit...management did their job.

1. Reduced the cost of pilot group
2. Consolidated 3 groups into 1
3. Have 3 groups hate each other
4. Removing old airframes for newer


Next step...package 9E up real nice and pretty to be sold to make a decent ROI. Can't wait to fight again over SLI.

Keep driving your bus shy! Stay focused!

Back before 3407 Colgan really was an abomination of a company. They treated their employees like complete garbage and yet pilots kept lining up with stars in their eyes to be a "real" airline pilot. Bad maintenance, lack of hiring standards, outsourced training, an up and out atmosphere with little to no mentoring, and a management that was more than willing to cut corners. The only reason people were willing to put in time there was the quick upgrade and to play the lottery to be the 1% of people who went to a major after 2 yrs.

I am sure they had some good people in their group but they became the magnet for the oddballs and people who literally couldn't get hired anywhere else. Pilots are our own worst enemy. Colgan survived to be bought out by Pinnacle while Comair get shuts down. PSA gets a new contract and Eagle... The bad companies thrive and there is that same line of dumb pilots lined up around the corner. The blame needs to fall on the people that keep these bad companies operating and thriving.

I just heard a captain around the 140 seniority was offered an interview for the SSP. In case anyone was wondering how far down the list they went. I am not sure if he was the last to be offered.

That is not true. As a legacy Colgan pilot who has first hand experience of what you are talking about I have to say that you are spewing complete garbage. Does Colgan have a few knuckleheads? Yes, but so does ExpressJet. Colgan had a very capable pilot group, unfortunately a couple bad apples do spoil the bushel, so we will never shake that reputation.

I think the crazier thing is - is that you have this obsession with Colgan all these years after they came with Q400s into Newark and "stole" XJT flying. It was 7 years ago! Get over it!

Smitty you are exactly right! This is part of the problem with this entire industry and the same lame "a"ss excuse the major's especially DAL love to use against regionals and why there can't be flows. It's just too bad a regional can't have the ability to buy out DAL and then the regional can say to DAL pilots "we cannot have a merger or flow! There may be some bad apples among you and you need to go through our interview and testing first. We might consider a SSP with restrictions but we will look for any loophole we can to get out of our agreement."

Where would you have gone in early 07? I think looking back then and now CJC was a good place to go. Couldn't have been happier. I think there are even some regionals out there with 2007 hires in the right seat.

Yeah..... like every single legacy Pinnacle pilot! But let me guess they didn't have "career expectations" like Colgan pilots right? Pinnacle had early to mid 2007 pilots get downgraded so your pilots/without/airline could hold left seats.

From page 2.

I'm pretty sure Pinnacle pilots' career expectations were to be Colgan pilots' captains. And to expect the Colgan pilots to be happy about it.

Nope. Date of hire across the board, then let the chips fall where they may. If im still stuck with the right seat then, tough. Its a simple mechanism to reward/penalize your current situation based on how long you've been in the industry. Its black and white really.

But noooo, we at Colgan are not happy with that because we dont get the upper hand.

Date of hire; screw ratios, quotas, and other BS. Shoot DOH across the board and thats what you get. Period

Water under the bridge anyways. Just dont expect any sympathy from 9E or XJ as many of them struggle now with downgrades, even though they have actually been paying dues way before some of those colgan guys that remain in their CA seat.

Doesnt really matter how many times you guys try to turn it around or try to justify yourselves, junior guys displacing senior guys of their CA seat is messed up in my book...

Pinnacle had what a two year upgrade back in the day? That's double what Colgan had.

I agree, that block sob really screwed this one up. Threw the whole process we were told more than once that no one pilot group would receive a windfall. Now we know that was a lie. I'm not ****ed off at the Colgan pilot group. I still don't understand why the 3 groups couldn't work it out by themselves. I feel this place is heading down the same road as Comair. I was hired at Mesaba 8 1/2 years ago and after holding left seat for 6 years I'm about to be downgraded. And now I'm told that I won't even qualify for the SSP interview because you have to be a current captain, even though I'd swear that our joke of a union said that we just had to have held captain at some point. What a joke of an industry. I don't know if it's true or not about Skywest wanting to by mesaba, but I sure wish anyone but Pinnacle would've bought us instead. I know it's all water under the bridge now. So I'm trying to get the hell out. I may even get out of this career all together.

Don't forget, y'all's contract passed with flying colors, so why all the complaining now?

New hire class day 2 "who wants to be a CA and has XXXX hours...". I was barely 21 years old and "rolled with punches".... 7 Years+ ago... Cool part, I get to truly bid OVERNIGHTS going BACK to FO.