No surprise Endeavor Air
 

Another week? Really? But I guess there is the "or before" part...


Memorandum
From: Crew Staffing
To: Endeavor Air Pilots
Date: September18, 2013
Re: 13-02 Initial Realignment Award Date change

Revision 2 of the 13-02 Realignment Notice stated the Initial Award would be posted on Wednesday, September 18, 2013. We will not post the Initial Award today. The Initial Award will be posted on or before 1700(CDT), Wednesday, September 25, 2013. The additional time is being used to flow training resulting from the award allowing us to more effectively communicate the results and duration of the realignment. Thanks for your patience.

Regards,
Ron
Ron Pekar

Surprise surprise surprise!

This is my favorite sentence:

Lol

I love how they wait for the last minute in everything they do. Wouldn't be very safe if we flew the same way they manage. Just my 2 cents...

B717s at Delta are now back on track. FAA certification has been approved. It may have to do with that.

Source?????

Memo from our Senior Vice President of Flt Ops. Revenue service to begin Nov 1st.

I'm hearing there are disputes over quotas and vacancy vs. displacements. Why are we still disputing this? The quotas are in place and we should respect them.

What's wrong, did not enough Pinnacle and Mesaba guys get downgraded to make room for more Colgan upgrades?

I'm gonna ask if I can come back and be ur captain.

Ha ha, that's got to be it. How the heck did it turn out this way when they don't have a single plane on property

And aren't we supposed to have one MEC? What group would organize a dispute over items that were settled long ago?

I bet you can figure that out : )

Disregard my previous posts. I just realized I was getting crabby. I just don't understand why they can't get this stuff sorted out before the even publish the realignment notice. It seems this happens a lot

"UNITY" is just a word printed across Charlie Murphy's forehead.

The intent is quite clear:

"For a period of five years, beginning with the submission of
the integrated seniority list, no pre-merger Pinnacle or
Colgan pilot may be awarded or displaced to a CRJ-200
captain position unless Mesaba pilots maintain 100 CRJ-200
captain positions and no pre-merger Mesaba or Colgan pilot
may be awarded or displaced to a CRJ-200 captain position
unless Pinnacle pilots maintain 541 CRJ-200 captain
positions."

If taken at face value, this will mean 9L and XJ Captains will be downgraded while quite a few 9E maintain their seats. It's hard to sympathize though, considering the most junior original 9E Captains are all 2006 DOH while both XJ and 9L have plenty of Captains hired in 2007 and Colgan even has a couple hired 2008. These 2007/8 9L and XJ pilots need to be downgraded first before 9E pilots. If a quota can't be maintained 100 XJ and 541 9E, then other 9L need to be flushed out.

To answer your question, 9L and XJ reps will still represent their own pre-merger pilot group and try and save their left seats as long as possible.

This is true. All Colgan people are allowed back at any point.

Why couldn't you just stay away? We really do not need former employees stirring the pot. Each former pilot group has someone representing them on this issue. If you pay attention to the union emails they talk about this. How can you say a 9e captain deserves the seat any more then a former xj or 9l pilot? Yes 9L lost their planes and XJ lost their saabs but don't forget that 9e lost 900's and 200's are both former 9e and XJ. So we all have lost something so no pilot group is better then the other. At the time 9L was the place for a quick upgrade alot of us XJ and 9e pilot's were drooling over the chance to sit in the left seat of one of 9L former planes. So get over it shy and anyone else who holds it against the other pilot group.

It only took 8 posts to change the direction of this thread. 8.
You know how much the airline industry loves that we do this? Plays right into most of their bargaining, whipsawing, and all the other "big ideals" we drone on about.

But here we are, at post #8.

I think if tomorrow our pay tripled, our fleet doubled, and we were getting 18 days off a month it would still be 9L, XJ, or 9E's fault we can't all get in the sim first. And I'm sure it would be pointed out by post #8.

Excuse me for seeing this mess coming. I tried to say date of hire and let the chips fall, no fences, no quotas, just DOH. I also said hell no to that crap contract because there were LOTS of downgrades coming. The old 8 year FO scale was at least, with any second income, a livable amount.
Capping the scale at 4 years when almost everyone is already there is expediting the exodus of FOs. Downgrading captains will do nothing but cause them to no longer be selective about where they apply. As a captain here, yes, I haven't applied to places like Virgin and JetBlue. As FO I would be applying to not only those but for sure Compass and probably even Eagle if they still are paying out the bonus.

I don't pop my head much in these kinds of threads anymore, but just to keep it factual 9E didn't lose anything until of recent the 16 ATL -900s and now a couple -200s to Kingman. But even prior to that, Colgan was all gone and so were the XJ Saabs. That's just factual and the reason I said 9E deserves their seats. But none of that matters, all that matters is the principle of it. The written award is quite clear: cannot be awarded or displaced unless 541 and 100 9E/XJ Captains on the -200s. So the first 641 Captains have to be those two airlines, and if there are 641 or less positions, then that means every single Colgan pilot should be downgraded even if they are more "senior" on the list. Same with the -900 279/95 ratio. The first 374 should be XJ/9E Captains and if above that then in seniority order. But, I'm sure 9L reps are going to pull the career expectation card and do whatever they can to make sure they maintain their CAs in the left seats of RJs. Just do a factual check yourself though, and you will find that even the most bottom barrel original 9E Captain was hired in 2006. No 9E Captains in 2007. In comparison XJ has quite a few CAs hired in 2007 and Colgan has plenty of CAs hired in 2007 and 2008. But you are right, this isn't my fight so carry on.........

Do you drink beer? I'm buying. Spot on. Nothing against XJ or 9L, but in line with the actual language and current situation.

Your explanation of filling the 900's and 200's is right on.

But, it doesn't matter "whose" airframes go away. We are all one big stinking pile now.

DOH has nothing to do with anything in this heaping steaming pile. Never did.

Nobody deserves anything.

No no, you're correct, this is what was to come. Not my point. And sorry you were the number 8 post.

It was more to show that we are in a perpetual fight with each other and the companies love it. The union failed us a couple years back. I was there and saw it first hand. (And spoke out against it. (showing my hand a bit)) They would not listen to a different view, only national. IMO. But here we are, still blaming (maybe not you) the other "former" groups. This was a leadership issue and always will be until the angry 10% take a stand.

The sheep will always flock.

The whole mess is going to go down in history of one of the most painful acquisition, merger, bankruptcy, realignments of recent memory. The indications were obvious given the way our CBA, seniority integration and realignment were shotgunned at us. As the saying goes, "the road to ruin is paved with good intentions". If anyone has learned anything going forward, I hope that in the future, pilots realize the need for professional negotiators and people that have an understanding of accounting and finance.

"The express pilots have failed to manage their union. Not a single MEC Chairman called for an Executive Board to stop ratification, not a single MEC Chair called for an Executive Board Meeting to review the President's actions. Not a single Status Rep brought forward a resolution to direct their MEC. Not a single pilot brought forward any resolutions on the matter at the LEC ... and no one has been recalled.

In contrast, the express MEC Chairman gathered to sign a letter of mutual support stating they are not going to do what just happened at Pinnacle and then was repeated at PSA.

I've pointed to the tools in the Admin Manual which exist to prevent these bargaining failures. The response from some of your smartest express guys has been to complain that they will not waste their time taking action. OK ... well at least get on the record as having been right, recall your Reps if they are truly "bought."

There is nothing I can do to help you if you will not help yourselves. Your Reps, officially, signed a letter affirming ALPA's bargaining just a few weeks ago. They have spoken for you.

So, in the absence of any demonstrated interest in managing your union, we might as well learn every thing we can from President Moak's strategy and get on board. President Moak is wagering that if your MECs can survive this current economic downturn that the market for pilots will drive a correction as the supply dries up. His plan to fix the longevity problem is a system of flow throughs.

There are rumors of mainline being forced to insource express flying as economics and pilot supply collide. That may be where this is going, but, I am not yet that optimistic. For starters express MECs (who can't even raise an objection to Pinnacle bargaining) raise all unholy hell when mainline groups talk staples (although a double staple, or giving express pilots mainline numbers they can use to bid into a position when they desire seems to work)

In summation, my web board rants are useless if not a single person at an express carrier will pick up and use the tools I have outlined. The Pinnacle contract is in the history books now. Might as well be pragmatic and look forward for new opportunities. "
Thought it may be prudent to repost this from Bucking Bar.

No surprise again. It stated on or before 5pm CDT on the wed 24th. still not posted

*25th.....

....was somebody "day drinking" a day early?

So much anticipation to anger.... We should have a reality series, it would be quite a hit.

Call it "end up". Based on real life career expectations!

Yea I just looked and I am a day early. Damn four days. It is Sat to me. I am glad I am on the same week.

Just so it's clear... I'm only trying to lighten the mood as I have a feeling tomorrow night will see many rocks thrown around the glass houses.

Yes, should be interesting. Especially if shy and flyer chime in

If they dont I can try to do my best. I mean I already made and a** of myself today so I can take one for the team tomorrow and stir the pot.

Post if you get a delta class or interview: indicate if it was ssp or flow and your rough seniority. Just trying to keep track

Fastread: 13-02 Pushed back again

Wouldn't be surprised if the bean counters are looking to cancel the whole thing because of the expense. With the Bloch award, there could be a lot of downgrades and upgrades. Going to get very expensive around here.

Or I could be totally wrong and they are really trying to be fair about the placements...:rolleyes:

Bloched again.

My services are now $9.99 per 500 words. But if 9L CAs remain after 9E and XJ go below 541/100 or 95/279 then my services are provided free under the injustice clause.

What would be fair? The Bloch award is clear, if it was fair when it helped you, it is fair when it doesn't.

Highney,
Can you tell me what the most junior 200 Fo base is? Msp or Dtw

Thanks

I'm called a "butt" all too often.

And I hang up.

You could try again, but I will need to respond with "no comment".

Haha sorry about the typo! Really appreciate everything you do though.

Thanks