You're right, that ****es me off too

I do have one question... Is it true that by your recently ratified contract when a 5year FO upgrades to captain, he goes back to year one captain pay?

If that is true, then all I can say is... Wow, you really did wh0re yourselves out and set a new low. Congratulations and thanks for the screw job!

Why not wait till you get the answer to your question first, before you leash out that gem?

With that said, the answer is irrelevant. 85% of 9E pilots managed to buckle at cheap, common scare tactics by union and management. The bar was indeed set at a new low.

Actually, you have to pay the company for all your training costs and hotel then you can start at year 1 pay.

Hope it comes to your airline!

Just doing our part to spread the misery!

No, they were able to save longevity for upgrade. But why are you talking about 5 year upgrades when 7 year guys are getting downgraded? Excluding Colgan of course!

Look again, there are some going back to about 9 years. Jan 05 hires being cut.

did you really just answer your own question, which has been answered several times yet perpetuated by morons like you, with a completely hypothetical untrue answer? If so, congratulations on sounding like a spoiled 2 year old.

But the hotel and training part is true. You have to pay 10k for upgrade, 3 year training contract.

Have any former Pinnacle pilots actually been downgraded?

Hockey, yes a year or two ago. And if this latest bid stands, several more in a month or 2.

We pay to commute too...coming soon to your airline!

And don't forget no per diem.

And 5 days off a month.

Oh and we pay for the overnight hotels......

10k for upgrade and 3 yr training contract? Where?

Only 1/2 for the overnight hotels though. On the plus side, we can pick up trips for 50% pay to ease the pain

OK I get this is a joke but people don't pay for hotels right? Even Colgan got us hotels and an awesome time at the legendary addies. I still smell like cigarettes. Oh and I stoke ur upgrade :rolleyes:

I wasn't kidding. I don't know any place that requires you to pay for upgrade and hotels associated with that. Once hired onto a company, those costs are covered. Of course 9E got away with giving pilots a hotel and pay in training for a long time because they were considered contractors and not full employees until passing their sim checkride. And to this day they still feel the hit when 9L/XJ peeps get their payraises on class date and 9E on sim date. Another BS item that the union "couldn't fight and obtain."

At least we get 1 hour per day guarantee.

Too bad if we get our trip canceled we lose all that money.

Pinnacle. Apparently you haven't been keeping up with LOA's. The newest kicker, that I heard from the cousin of a friend of an XJT fo, is that Pinnacle also now charges you for any extra sim time you need to complete initial or upgrade or warm up for a previously busted PC/type ride. You guys are idiots for letting them do that.

mooney!!!!

And I heard that ALPA and Airline managements like our contract so much that there is no more voting at the regional level.

They are just going to impose our contract on all Regional carriers without the pilots getting a vote.

Why would they need to impose it? Any regional ALPA carrier that crap contracts have come out for a vote at have passed anyway!

I can think of 1 that didn't...Pinnacle TA1.....

So let me get this straight. When you upgrade, the pilot is responsible for:

1.) Pay Delta $10,000, for the honor to upgrade
2.) Pay for all hotel costs
3.) Any extra simulator costs outside of training syllabus

Then you have to stay as a Captain for 3 years at Pinnacle/Endeavor? What happens if you leave to go to another airline before the 3 years is up? Are there any other highlights that I am missing?

Same happens when you get downgraded too.

You pay it back, it is non pro rated. They will hold your last paycheck and VAC payout. And since it was ALPA approved, if you go to another ALPA carrier, they will get their money from you via payroll deduct. This 3 year upgrade deal is the reason FO's aren't eligible for the Delta SSP.

other highlights....sick bank is only used at 75% (you call in sick for a 10 hour trip you get paid for 7.5)

Most FO's will never upgrade so it was really a no brainer to vote that in. I just think it's kind of ridiculous that after we switched our Lido charts to Jeppesen electronic services we have to print the charts out at home before we come to work. I had a pop up alternate the other day, and the dispatcher had to describe the approach to me while I drew it out on a cocktail napkin. This is a professional carrier for God sakes...

That's why I bid CDO's. Same city most of the month. Those times I get a regular line, I download the charts and send them to Kinko's for them to print/bind. Runs about $20-$40 average. Or just say screw it and go to the FBO down the street and get NOS charts.

What is not pro rated?

I thought that the new contract was enough, but this really puts it over the edge. Is Delta saying that training costs are too high, and they are now hitting you up with this BS.

So, if you are downgraded, you also have to pay $10,000. What does the $10,000 cover?

Sorry to hear about this guys, I know you are trying to run like hell.

Yeah, it's crazy. Reserve pilots are capped at 75 hours---if they credit over 75 hours, they still get 75 hours, and no per diem.

the $10k upgrade training

just to be clear, they get per diem on the trips that were under 75 hours, just not any overages.

I just handed them a check for 20K to move to the 900. Money well spent.

This thread sounds like an XJT crewroom, lol

So thats why I didnt get the 900. I only offered them 10k.

Bwaaaaaahaha!!
You guys are ridiculous!

I still don't get it. But if you are referring to concessions, you handed them a lot more than $20 grand.

You gadda do, what you gadda do.

And remember, on your tax returns, the IRS makes up for anything the $1.04/hr doesn't cover...so, you get it back eventually

Wish we still got the free peanuts...that was nice

It's really cuz you called it a 900 and not "the 9" or "the heavy"

You could wear your epaulettes upside down, someone will take notice, and make sure you will get it on the next award.

And for all the idiots without a sarcasm meter, this is not today, simply what the 400 lifers here are willing to give up for a guarantee of weekends and most holidays off and that precious SSP that they won't even apply for anyway. Face it an 85% yes vote screamed to management that they didn't come close to stealing enough, probably a key reason the last group that dealt with the BK was cleaned out and replaced with "Delta" people....