Jamers

And aren't we supposed to have one MEC? What group would organize a dispute over items that were settled long ago?

gojo

I bet you can figure that out : )

gojo

Disregard my previous posts. I just realized I was getting crabby. I just don't understand why they can't get this stuff sorted out before the even publish the realignment notice. It seems this happens a lot

ShyGuy

"UNITY" is just a word printed across Charlie Murphy's forehead.

The intent is quite clear:

"For a period of five years, beginning with the submission of
the integrated seniority list, no pre-merger Pinnacle or
Colgan pilot may be awarded or displaced to a CRJ-200
captain position unless Mesaba pilots maintain 100 CRJ-200
captain positions and no pre-merger Mesaba or Colgan pilot
may be awarded or displaced to a CRJ-200 captain position
unless Pinnacle pilots maintain 541 CRJ-200 captain
positions."

If taken at face value, this will mean 9L and XJ Captains will be downgraded while quite a few 9E maintain their seats. It's hard to sympathize though, considering the most junior original 9E Captains are all 2006 DOH while both XJ and 9L have plenty of Captains hired in 2007 and Colgan even has a couple hired 2008. These 2007/8 9L and XJ pilots need to be downgraded first before 9E pilots. If a quota can't be maintained 100 XJ and 541 9E, then other 9L need to be flushed out.

To answer your question, 9L and XJ reps will still represent their own pre-merger pilot group and try and save their left seats as long as possible.

Pogey Bait

This is true. All Colgan people are allowed back at any point.

tom14cat14

Why couldn't you just stay away? We really do not need former employees stirring the pot. Each former pilot group has someone representing them on this issue. If you pay attention to the union emails they talk about this. How can you say a 9e captain deserves the seat any more then a former xj or 9l pilot? Yes 9L lost their planes and XJ lost their saabs but don't forget that 9e lost 900's and 200's are both former 9e and XJ. So we all have lost something so no pilot group is better then the other. At the time 9L was the place for a quick upgrade alot of us XJ and 9e pilot's were drooling over the chance to sit in the left seat of one of 9L former planes. So get over it shy and anyone else who holds it against the other pilot group.

better up here

It only took 8 posts to change the direction of this thread. 8.
You know how much the airline industry loves that we do this? Plays right into most of their bargaining, whipsawing, and all the other "big ideals" we drone on about.

But here we are, at post #8.

I think if tomorrow our pay tripled, our fleet doubled, and we were getting 18 days off a month it would still be 9L, XJ, or 9E's fault we can't all get in the sim first. And I'm sure it would be pointed out by post #8.

Avroman

Excuse me for seeing this mess coming. I tried to say date of hire and let the chips fall, no fences, no quotas, just DOH. I also said hell no to that crap contract because there were LOTS of downgrades coming. The old 8 year FO scale was at least, with any second income, a livable amount.
Capping the scale at 4 years when almost everyone is already there is expediting the exodus of FOs. Downgrading captains will do nothing but cause them to no longer be selective about where they apply. As a captain here, yes, I haven't applied to places like Virgin and JetBlue. As FO I would be applying to not only those but for sure Compass and probably even Eagle if they still are paying out the bonus.

ShyGuy

I don't pop my head much in these kinds of threads anymore, but just to keep it factual 9E didn't lose anything until of recent the 16 ATL -900s and now a couple -200s to Kingman. But even prior to that, Colgan was all gone and so were the XJ Saabs. That's just factual and the reason I said 9E deserves their seats. But none of that matters, all that matters is the principle of it. The written award is quite clear: cannot be awarded or displaced unless 541 and 100 9E/XJ Captains on the -200s. So the first 641 Captains have to be those two airlines, and if there are 641 or less positions, then that means every single Colgan pilot should be downgraded even if they are more "senior" on the list. Same with the -900 279/95 ratio. The first 374 should be XJ/9E Captains and if above that then in seniority order. But, I'm sure 9L reps are going to pull the career expectation card and do whatever they can to make sure they maintain their CAs in the left seats of RJs. Just do a factual check yourself though, and you will find that even the most bottom barrel original 9E Captain was hired in 2006. No 9E Captains in 2007. In comparison XJ has quite a few CAs hired in 2007 and Colgan has plenty of CAs hired in 2007 and 2008. But you are right, this isn't my fight so carry on.........

higney85

Do you drink beer? I'm buying. Spot on. Nothing against XJ or 9L, but in line with the actual language and current situation.