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No not joking...I've looked on the website and have found nothing. Is it only posted in ops? If so, when will they post it online so I can see it? I won't be in ops for a while. Thanks!
#112
I have no dog in this fight but you guys realize that date of hire means very little in a SLI. Colgan pilots didn't ask for this and 07 Colgan hires went to Colgan before Q400s even existed there. Pinnacle came in with their horrible management and Colgan no longer exists because of it. So point all the fingers you want but it's not their fault. Also don't forget the 2008 Colgan hires that lost almost 30% seniority. I don't see them complaining.
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I have no dog in this fight but you guys realize that date of hire means very little in a SLI. Colgan pilots didn't ask for this and 07 Colgan hires went to Colgan before Q400s even existed there. Pinnacle came in with their horrible management and Colgan no longer exists because of it. So point all the fingers you want but it's not their fault. Also don't forget the 2008 Colgan hires that lost almost 30% seniority. I don't see them complaining.
Colgan
To ensure every pilot would remain within 3 percent of their current pre- merger seniority rank, the Colgan pilots’ proposal creates 30 blocks, each containing 88 pilots from the three groups. Pilots would be placed within each block according to a ratio (1 Colgan to 2.5 Pinnacle to 2 Mesaba pilots), a ratio mirroring the size of the respective groups. Additionally, the Colgan group proposes that (1) no pilot be displaced from their position as a result of the integration and (2) any furloughs resulting from pre-July 1, 2010 scheduled fleet reductions be borne by the pre-July, 2010 pilot group.
The Colgan representatives say the only reason there were not more furloughs by Mesaba was that Pinnacle Corporation, following the Mesaba purchase, transferred Colgan flying (for US Airways) to Mesaba Saabs at LaGuardia. In this way, says Colgan, Colgan Air helped save Mesaba jobs.
The Colgan group seeks to retain to all pilots the type of bidding power they had at their pre-merger airlines. But this type of parity, an attempt to share the enhanced conditions more equally, is achieved at the demonstrable expense of Status and Category considerations, taken in light of reasonable pre-merger expectations. The overwhelming majority of Colgan pilots who, pre-merger, had career expectations limited to flying turboprop aircraft would, following the integration, achieve bidding power into aircraft and pay scales well beyond any that could have reasonably been contemplated prior to the merger.
To ensure every pilot would remain within 3 percent of their current pre- merger seniority rank, the Colgan pilots’ proposal creates 30 blocks, each containing 88 pilots from the three groups. Pilots would be placed within each block according to a ratio (1 Colgan to 2.5 Pinnacle to 2 Mesaba pilots), a ratio mirroring the size of the respective groups. Additionally, the Colgan group proposes that (1) no pilot be displaced from their position as a result of the integration and (2) any furloughs resulting from pre-July 1, 2010 scheduled fleet reductions be borne by the pre-July, 2010 pilot group.
The Colgan representatives say the only reason there were not more furloughs by Mesaba was that Pinnacle Corporation, following the Mesaba purchase, transferred Colgan flying (for US Airways) to Mesaba Saabs at LaGuardia. In this way, says Colgan, Colgan Air helped save Mesaba jobs.
The Colgan group seeks to retain to all pilots the type of bidding power they had at their pre-merger airlines. But this type of parity, an attempt to share the enhanced conditions more equally, is achieved at the demonstrable expense of Status and Category considerations, taken in light of reasonable pre-merger expectations. The overwhelming majority of Colgan pilots who, pre-merger, had career expectations limited to flying turboprop aircraft would, following the integration, achieve bidding power into aircraft and pay scales well beyond any that could have reasonably been contemplated prior to the merger.
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#114
If you don't see it listed there, I would clear the cache on your browser and try again.
If that doesn't work pm me.
#115
I have no dog in this fight but you guys realize that date of hire means very little in a SLI. Colgan pilots didn't ask for this and 07 Colgan hires went to Colgan before Q400s even existed there. Pinnacle came in with their horrible management and Colgan no longer exists because of it. So point all the fingers you want but it's not their fault. Also don't forget the 2008 Colgan hires that lost almost 30% seniority. I don't see them complaining.
So wether you were first or last on the Colgan list none of them have any right to complain, and especially the 2008 hires.
Personally straight DOH would have been more then fair to that group.
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If Pinnacle had not purchased Colgan they were going out of business... That's fact straight from Colgan, they had no money left.
So wether you were first or last on the Colgan list none of them have any right to complain, and especially the 2008 hires.
Personally straight DOH would have been more then fair to that group.
So wether you were first or last on the Colgan list none of them have any right to complain, and especially the 2008 hires.
Personally straight DOH would have been more then fair to that group.
#117
If it's still not working, try to enable compatibility view when on the flypinnacle page. It's the icon in the address bar that looks like a piece of paper with a lightning bolt through it.
#118
#119
Don't use Endeavor as your scapegoat. (But I know you will because people like you love to blame others for your problems.) I think this is still a free country and everyone is allowed to vote as they wish. PSA, Eagle, ExpressJet and the rest can vote as they please.
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Yes, but with record profits and the union playing nice at mainline, management would be foolish to rock the boat. However, the next economic downturn at the majors is going to be way worse than the previous ones. The best advice is to always have a back up plan even if you get hired by a mainline.
Pinnacle is a worst case scenario, they got all of the Colgan pilots, but none of the Colgan airplanes. This could easily happen at a mainline if the union isn't careful. A separate union like SWAPA can craftily side step around it carefully, whereas ALPA has no choice due to ALPA merger policy.
Pinnacle is a worst case scenario, they got all of the Colgan pilots, but none of the Colgan airplanes. This could easily happen at a mainline if the union isn't careful. A separate union like SWAPA can craftily side step around it carefully, whereas ALPA has no choice due to ALPA merger policy.
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