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10-09-2013 | 07:47 AM
#151
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That is not true. As a legacy Colgan pilot who has first hand experience of what you are talking about I have to say that you are spewing complete garbage. Does Colgan have a few knuckleheads? Yes, but so does ExpressJet. Colgan had a very capable pilot group, unfortunately a couple bad apples do spoil the bushel, so we will never shake that reputation.
I think the crazier thing is - is that you have this obsession with Colgan all these years after they came with Q400s into Newark and "stole" XJT flying. It was 7 years ago! Get over it!
I think the crazier thing is - is that you have this obsession with Colgan all these years after they came with Q400s into Newark and "stole" XJT flying. It was 7 years ago! Get over it!
10-09-2013 | 10:05 AM
#152
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From: Airbus button pusher
Back before 3407 Colgan really was an abomination of a company. They treated their employees like complete garbage and yet pilots kept lining up with stars in their eyes to be a "real" airline pilot. Bad maintenance, lack of hiring standards, outsourced training, an up and out atmosphere with little to no mentoring, and a management that was more than willing to cut corners. The only reason people were willing to put in time there was the quick upgrade and to play the lottery to be the 1% of people who went to a major after 2 yrs.
I am sure they had some good people in their group but they became the magnet for the oddballs and people who literally couldn't get hired anywhere else. Pilots are our own worst enemy. Colgan survived to be bought out by Pinnacle while Comair get shuts down. PSA gets a new contract and Eagle... The bad companies thrive and there is that same line of dumb pilots lined up around the corner. The blame needs to fall on the people that keep these bad companies operating and thriving.
I am sure they had some good people in their group but they became the magnet for the oddballs and people who literally couldn't get hired anywhere else. Pilots are our own worst enemy. Colgan survived to be bought out by Pinnacle while Comair get shuts down. PSA gets a new contract and Eagle... The bad companies thrive and there is that same line of dumb pilots lined up around the corner. The blame needs to fall on the people that keep these bad companies operating and thriving.
10-09-2013 | 10:34 AM
#153
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Yeah..... like every single legacy Pinnacle pilot! But let me guess they didn't have "career expectations" like Colgan pilots right? Pinnacle had early to mid 2007 pilots get downgraded so your pilots/without/airline could hold left seats.
10-09-2013 | 11:07 AM
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I'm pretty sure Pinnacle pilots' career expectations were to be Colgan pilots' captains. And to expect the Colgan pilots to be happy about it.
10-09-2013 | 11:31 AM
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Nope. Date of hire across the board, then let the chips fall where they may. If im still stuck with the right seat then, tough. Its a simple mechanism to reward/penalize your current situation based on how long you've been in the industry. Its black and white really.
But noooo, we at Colgan are not happy with that because we dont get the upper hand.
Date of hire; screw ratios, quotas, and other BS. Shoot DOH across the board and thats what you get. Period
Water under the bridge anyways. Just dont expect any sympathy from 9E or XJ as many of them struggle now with downgrades, even though they have actually been paying dues way before some of those colgan guys that remain in their CA seat.
Doesnt really matter how many times you guys try to turn it around or try to justify yourselves, junior guys displacing senior guys of their CA seat is messed up in my book...
But noooo, we at Colgan are not happy with that because we dont get the upper hand.
Date of hire; screw ratios, quotas, and other BS. Shoot DOH across the board and thats what you get. Period
Water under the bridge anyways. Just dont expect any sympathy from 9E or XJ as many of them struggle now with downgrades, even though they have actually been paying dues way before some of those colgan guys that remain in their CA seat.
Doesnt really matter how many times you guys try to turn it around or try to justify yourselves, junior guys displacing senior guys of their CA seat is messed up in my book...
10-09-2013 | 12:58 PM
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Pinnacle had what a two year upgrade back in the day? That's double what Colgan had.
10-09-2013 | 01:02 PM
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Nope. Date of hire across the board, then let the chips fall where they may. If im still stuck with the right seat then, tough. Its a simple mechanism to reward/penalize your current situation based on how long you've been in the industry. Its black and white really.
But noooo, we at Colgan are not happy with that because we dont get the upper hand.
Date of hire; screw ratios, quotas, and other BS. Shoot DOH across the board and thats what you get. Period
Water under the bridge anyways. Just dont expect any sympathy from 9E or XJ as many of them struggle now with downgrades, even though they have actually been paying dues way before some of those colgan guys that remain in their CA seat.
Doesnt really matter how many times you guys try to turn it around or try to justify yourselves, junior guys displacing senior guys of their CA seat is messed up in my book...
But noooo, we at Colgan are not happy with that because we dont get the upper hand.
Date of hire; screw ratios, quotas, and other BS. Shoot DOH across the board and thats what you get. Period
Water under the bridge anyways. Just dont expect any sympathy from 9E or XJ as many of them struggle now with downgrades, even though they have actually been paying dues way before some of those colgan guys that remain in their CA seat.
Doesnt really matter how many times you guys try to turn it around or try to justify yourselves, junior guys displacing senior guys of their CA seat is messed up in my book...
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10-09-2013 | 02:14 PM
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New hire class day 2 "who wants to be a CA and has XXXX hours...". I was barely 21 years old and "rolled with punches".... 7 Years+ ago... Cool part, I get to truly bid OVERNIGHTS going BACK to FO.
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