SmitteyB

I think the most important thing to remember is this is just the FIRST realignment. Remember they revised this one because they didn't want to forecast training events like 11-09 fiasco.

Next realignment is after the new year in which you will see a TON more downgrades.

Past V1

So...when is this thing supposed to be published?

Bartok

I don't know if you're joking.

But, the initial came out yesterday and the final with class dates comes out on the 11th.

ShyGuy

Since Saabs asked, it is completely ludicrous. The wording was quite clear that no XJ/9L could be awarded or displaced a left seat unless 9E maintains 541 and 95 seats respectively. They are below that. In fact, since the RJ quotas are only for the XJ/9E groups, if both are below their quotas, then it should mean a downgrade for every single 9L pilot. That's the intent of those quotas. The first 641 positions on the -200 are 9E and XJ. 541 and 100 ratio. Only if there are more than 641 positions available on the -200 then it goes in seniority order for all three groups including 9L. So yes it is beyond ridiculous that 9L still maintains as many left seats as they have while XJ and especially 9E guys dating all the way back to 2006 are now getting downgraded well below their own ratio.

As for 9E, I understand why the CAs are sticking around. The pay sucks but it's still livable. The SSP is slowly starting to come around and interviews should follow. But for 9E FOs, why are you still showing up to work? What's your excuse? I thought the general consensus was to take the 6 grand and run. Everyone will be capped at 4th yr FO pay of 38ish/hr. No FO will see a SSP Delta interview if they haven't already been a Captain. So if your pay is limited and there is no Delta SSP, then why stick around? The final result is inevitable - it has been ever since they announced an end state of 81 planes. FOs have left but I'm surprised more haven't done so. So it's not the money and certainly not the future (Delta) so why stick? Bases? Compass offers the same and they have quicker movement with guaranteed Captains leaving for the Delta flow. All you get is one year of pain and the 2nd year you'll be back to what you are making now as a capped FO. Or try Virgin/Spirit/JetBlue they have taken tons of FOs without TPIC and quite a few without internal recommendations. Heck, even apply to Delta/United/AA you have nothing to lose. I'm surprised 9E still gets flights out. There should be a mass exodus of FOs on a daily basis to the point that place comes to a standstill and implodes. There is no future for a 9E FO. Why delay the inevitable?

swamp

Sh1t, the union just put out a clarification email about the SSP, when our number is called for the SSP interview, we must be a current captain. The "once a captain" was a myth, unlike the no 4 year degree "Vault letter". Anyone with a seniority beyond 500 will more than likely not see an SSP interview, unless Delta miraculously does a mass interview for the 1200 current CA, or if Delta extends the SSP to FOs, which is dumb they didn't do in the first place. So the current SSP only benefits the top Captains that never met the quals to go to Delta on their own merit.. What a joke.

higney85

I don't know a single FO who isn't trying to leave. The only guys who I have heard say they are staying are super senior CA's and over about age 55.

It seems that wanting to leave and getting an offer to leave are not working as easily as planned for some.

ShyGuy

This was yet another misinterpretation of what Delta required.

iv. be on the Pinnacle pilot seniority list at the time the opportunity to participate in the SSP is offered and thereafter remain on the seniority list until the date the pilot actually participates in the SSP,

v. either:

1) hold a Captain position at Pinnacle, or

2) have previously held a Captain position on the Pinnacle, Mesaba or Colgan pilot seniority list and be on an approved leave of absence from Pinnacle and not have accepted employment as a pilot while on leave at any of the following U.S. air carriers: American, United, US Airways, Southwest, JetBlue, Alaska, Hawaiian, FedEx, UPS, Virgin America, or Spirit.


The intent there makes it sound like only Captains who are basically on a leave. Once you take a leave, you "previously held your Captain seat" but not anymore since you are on leave. The "and" portion of the statement above makes it so. But apparently the union interpretation of that was to include anyone who was previously a Captain and that is not true.

But you are correct that from all indications, Delta will only take current Captains through the SSP.

fatsopilot

Wait, the union assured us all FOs would get a chance to participate. Within 7 years (now 6) the whole list would get a chance to participate they claimed. And they also told us that the contract would not exert downward pressure on Regional wages. And management released a memo a few months ago about how FOs would rapidly be upgrading very soon. Why would the Union and management not tell us the truth?

spaaks

are you sad now that y'all voted yes and started the lowering of the bar at the regionals because mother D pulled a fast one on you?

IBPilot

hey rookie, come back when you are done flying traffic watch and actually have enough hours to get hired by a regional. If you can't see the difference between 9e's concessionary contract (bankruptcy/judge imposed anyways with worse terms/death) vs a concessionary contract because you "might" get more flying, you shouldn't have the lives of 50 plus people in your hands. Stick to traffic watch please.