80ktsClamp

Like I said, you continue to show how immature the "training" program is at 9E. None of this is an attack on you either... what you're doing is what they've always done there. It's the culture.

A. First and foremost, there should be a script. It doesn't have to spell out every detail, but should be pretty close. On our LOEs, breaking from script is an event that will get an instructor a slap on the wrist. MVs are closer to what 9E did, and it's up to the instructor to get through the maneuvers in the most efficient manner to get the check over with and get on to the training portion that completes the second half of the sim session when on MV day in recurrent (we do 2 days of recurrent every 9 months- day 1 is all training, the first half of day 2 is manuevers validation (MV) or line oriented evaluation (LOE), and the second half of day 2 is more training). The training portion always comprises of things that have happened on the line and things that guys have had difficulty with in the sim recently.
B. TTP is a designated break from the checking to bring a pilot back into standards. It is delineated by the instructor. That is the only training that should be done in the midst of a checking event.
C. We don't do face to face orals anymore, but when an instructor broke from the specific topics they were allowed to ask, they had to stop, state this was no longer checking and something helpful to know, and then state when checking began again.
D. I know you guys aren't AQP, and that makes a gigantic difference all in its own.

Poor training does not give an excuse to randomly and in a somewhat masked manner intersperse training into a checking event... plus just to fill time. It's the culture at 9E, and it's awful. Get the check over with, then have some fun/teach if you're going to do that. Otherwise the checking stress is much higher and the learning is significantly diminished.

AlaskaBound

#1. I swear, if I hear that one more time flipping' time ....
#2. You know people only say "99% of them say "hey that was cool I really didn't know that I learned some stuff today!" because they're kissing butt right? No one means it.

mooney

Last I checked, my paycheck said "endeavor" and I was chosen by "endeavor" managers to teach according to "endeavor" policies as blessed by the MEM FSDO. When/if I/we get a paycheck that says Delta, and I/we are blessed by the ATL FSDO and Delta managers, I will gladly do it according to their script.

mooney

funny how some of you are internet tough guys but the biggest *****cats in real life....have anything pertinent to add? What are you gonna do if you hear it one more time? Or are you the 1 guy mad that he failed for setting HAT as MDA, and ran off the end of the runway after forward slipping in a zero flap landing and landing with 2000 ft of runway left?

Have fun with your "my airline is better than yours" lovefest. I gotta get some sleep, have to get up early to be a d*ck to someone and try to make them bust their PC....


You got a problem with a specific instructor, take it to him or let me know why. Don't go acting all tough when you've never met me or been through one of my events.

MrMustache

Im just going to repost this for everyones enjoyment.

mooney

there is a reason my hands were ON yours during the Cat II's and not at the base of the TL...

mooney

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80ktsClamp

You're were arguing earlier that the methods were fine and justified "learning" people stuff in the midst of a check and that you have free reign on how to administer the PC. Now you've back pedaled to this.

I was explaining to you how the methods you describe are signatures of an immature training department, which you've continued to try to justify now. The fact is that it is far from optimum and ignores many fundamentals of learning and checking that have now been in place for more than 20 years at mature training departments.

gojo

This is the attitude that made Pinnacle's training department the laughing stock of the industry. There were, and in some cases still are no standardization between instructors. Years ago I remember hearing a couple instructors boasting that Pinnacle probably had the highest fail rate in the industry like it was a good thing. To me that points to problems in the training department, the HR. department or both that need to be addressed. I've learned something from every oral and sim event that I've had without fear and intimidation tactics.

mooney

Show me the backpedal? You just keep preaching "delta does it this this and this way." I said Pinnacle isn't Delta and does it this way. Fact-Pinnacle has no script, it is up to the instructors to give the PC's within reason. I don't care if you don't like it, nowhere did I backpedal and say I'm not gonna do it because 80 doesn't like it.