HIREME

Let's paint Delta on the side of their planes, have them fly our pax to our destinations, give them new checklists like ours, make them follow the "Delta way", and...get this...make them interview and start over to "officially work for us"! Go 'Merica!

tsquare

I also think there is something with the fuel being considered "contaminated" when it comes off of an airplane. I do not know that for a fact, but I would be willing to bet that there are some EPA concerns, and probably a whole bureaucratic paperwork nightmare to be followed to have that fuel then considered "safe" for use again.... Probably cheaper to burn it on the ramp, sad as that sounds...

Mesabah

There was a program at NWA to have some of the ground vehicles burn de-fueled Jet-A since it can't go back on an airplane. It probably got lost in the merger shuffle though, the equipment may have been to expensive as well, not sure though.

LostInPA

Ex-fueler here, I don't know if this is industry wide, but what I'm describing holds true for all stations for a large company that specializes in 121 carrier fuel management.

Once you defuel an airplane, all the fuel in that tanker must then go into the company's aircraft that you de-fueled from. Say you have a truck with several thousand gallons or so in it and you would do a defuel from a 9E airplane, you would need that truck to only work 9E flights until it is empty. That can get to be a massive pain at small stations/places that don't see many flights from the affected carrier. At my ex-employer, if the fuel vendor personnel really want to follow the rules, the fueler should call their tank farm people to do a density test on the fuel in the truck immediately before de-fueling into it. Plus, I always found it funny how many of my coworkers had difficulty with the paperwork/basic math. The truck meter only counts upward, whether the fuel is coming in or out, so your gallons 'through' the meter no longer equalled the amount 'out' of the tank.

Apologies if I bored you all to death, but just figured I'd explain the rocket surgery behind a simple process.

80ktsClamp

That makes more sense... I had to defuel about 20,000 lbs the other week and they didn't make a deal out of it. Of course, this was at the mothership and most of the traffic is company aircraft.

I'll agree with the sentiment on 9E guys being more apt to single engine. I did it every flight unless I couldn't... most were of similar mindset mostly no matter how disgruntled.

It makes much more sense now that I never once saw an XJ plane do a delayed engine start. Not allowing an FO to start an engine sounds like something AA would do... It's logical that culture and mindset could carry on.

9E is also a lot less lenient on overweight landings. At DL, if we're going to be overweight going into a hub or mx station, we just land and log the VS in the logbook. A quick sign off and off we go again... none of this sitting burning gas, holding, or the like.

Windsor

For those that knew me back in my angry 9E days, I was a huge proponent of being a d**k and burning the place down. I hated the place, the drawn out negotiations, the displacement, low pay, you name it, I woulda b****ed about it. Looking back at my attitude and my actions (nav light cover write ups) I sincerely regret it. What did any of that accomplish? Nothing. Being pi**ed off and thinking I'm somehow "gettin back" at the company by not trying to save fuel or playing games with crew scheduling or whatever, really accomplished nothing. If I had to do it all over again, I woulda done it the right way. Instead of seeing being professional as "helping the company", I would see it for what it really is. Being professional means putting aside all the crap thats going on outside the cockpit and do the best possible job you can in it. The burn it down attitude is contagious, especially in DTW. But it's self defeating. The best attitude to have is to show up and do your job to the best of your abilities regardless of outside matters. Hopefully I'll be able to carry that attitude with me to my next airline, cause guess what? The same ****** that is happening at 9E is happening or has happened at every major airline. The company may be able to take away pay or vacation or travel benefits or whatever, but if you come to work and do a good job and take some pride in your flying, they can never take that away.

flyprdu

Sounds like you'd be a model prisoner.

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bedrock

Respect:

You have to give it to get it. Do they teach that in MBA school?

swamp

Well if it would have been your sh/+ty airline, you would have been delayed for 2+ hours or the flight would have cancelled. Honestly I avoid expressjet like the GD plague!

cartean

Wait......so it was standard practice to T/O knowing you would land overweight? And you actually did land overweight in a non emergency? So you knowingly exceeded limitations?