Endeavor to Delta
10-09-2014, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
That's because It isn't all true. Currently Endeavor is not upgrading any pilots. They are instead downgrading pilots. The airline is shrinking, therefore less captains are needed. So upgrade is running approximately something like 7 years or more. So 7 years to upgrade, plus 2 years as a captain, means more like 9 years. A lot could happen in 9 years, like the program being terminated, since there is no guarantee in writing.
Delta will be hiring off the street, and you could go to some other airline, upgrade faster and be in a position to apply and get hired by Delta.
Delta will be hiring off the street, and you could go to some other airline, upgrade faster and be in a position to apply and get hired by Delta.
This is dead on! By shrinking the fleet there are enough senior pilots at 9E that will not move on which means a restricting upgrades.
10-09-2014, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMustache
They only need to hire their quotas if there are eligible Captains to participate in the SSP. And the new SSP terms are 300 or 25-35% of the Deltas hiring amount, whichever is LESS.
10-09-2014, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
I would take the EtD, as it is an offer of employment from mainline Delta. The risk is getting stuck at 9E, however, that risk is real everywhere else as well. The big thing is that if Endeavor shuts its doors, you go to Delta instead of the street. I don't think you could say the same about any other regional.
The EtD is extremely hard to get though, we have had 800+ applications for it, and only about 40 made it through all the way, with about 10 actually showing up for class. You really need to be mainline competitive to get through it. This month we only have 1 EtD pilot, a former Comair pilot.
The EtD is extremely hard to get though, we have had 800+ applications for it, and only about 40 made it through all the way, with about 10 actually showing up for class. You really need to be mainline competitive to get through it. This month we only have 1 EtD pilot, a former Comair pilot.
10-09-2014, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
No, the hiring commitment in the Bridge Agreement is for both FO's, and SSP CA's. The EtD hiring commitment of ~300 is SSP only.
10-09-2014, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
So the program has been a total failure so far?
Also, Delta sent out an email to all the pilots who have apps with Delta about the EtD. Several high time military pilots thought Delta was talking specifically to them, and showed up to the EtD. So in the end, Delta mainline lost those pilots to other Legacies.
10-09-2014, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Yes, because the EtD candidates are mainline employment ready, thus the ones not showing up to class are going to UAL/AA/US, etc. Delta has put Endeavor on Legacy airline hiring status with the EtD.
Also, Delta sent out an email to all the pilots who have apps with Delta about the EtD. Several high time military pilots thought Delta was talking specifically to them, and showed up to the EtD. So in the end, Delta mainline lost those pilots to other Legacies.
Also, Delta sent out an email to all the pilots who have apps with Delta about the EtD. Several high time military pilots thought Delta was talking specifically to them, and showed up to the EtD. So in the end, Delta mainline lost those pilots to other Legacies.
10-09-2014, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by madeinUSA
Every single regional pilot is "mainline ready". They just have them all brainwashed into thinking they have to fly an F-15, be a chief pilot, line check airman, and jump through every hoop imaginable to get to that level. When in reality anyone flying for the regional airlines would do just fine. On a side note. I just found out that DAL flight attendants make almost as much as 12 year Captains at Endeavor. And 3 times the salary of a starting FO. (PUKE!)
10-09-2014, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMustache
You're are correct but they also require people to be captains. No upgrade, no eligible to participate until you are a captain. The 300 or 25% was a modification when the ETD came out. O ya don't forget those people are AFTER compass flows. Which 160 still remain.
Just using 600 as an example a typical month would be 20 compass flows, 15 endeavor and 15 off the street. One of the reasons I suspect delta is hiring so many off the street right now is that they know for about the first 6 months next year they wont have that many off the street slots available.
In regards to the endeavor to delta in 5 years question: think about this, once we are at 81 900s if delta takes 300 of us a year indefinetly, it will wipe out our entire pilot group every 4 years or so so there is your fast upgrades and quick progression to delta right there. It's just a matter of getting to the right pilot count before that begins which is probably why they are not to worried about staffing yet
10-09-2014, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by madeinUSA
Every single regional pilot is "mainline ready". They just have them all brainwashed into thinking they have to fly an F-15, be a chief pilot, line check airman, and jump through every hoop imaginable to get to that level. When in reality anyone flying for the regional airlines would do just fine. On a side note. I just found out that DAL flight attendants make almost as much as 12 year Captains at Endeavor. And 3 times the salary of a starting FO. (PUKE!)
Delta FA pay tops out at $49 at year 12.
10-09-2014, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
I would take the EtD, as it is an offer of employment from mainline Delta. The risk is getting stuck at 9E, however, that risk is real everywhere else as well. The big thing is that if Endeavor shuts its doors, you go to Delta instead of the street. I don't think you could say the same about any other regional.
The EtD is extremely hard to get though, we have had 800+ applications for it, and only about 40 made it through all the way, with about 10 actually showing up for class. You really need to be mainline competitive to get through it. This month we only have 1 EtD pilot, a former Comair pilot.
The EtD is extremely hard to get though, we have had 800+ applications for it, and only about 40 made it through all the way, with about 10 actually showing up for class. You really need to be mainline competitive to get through it. This month we only have 1 EtD pilot, a former Comair pilot.
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