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08-16-2017, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle
This is the problem with the regional mentality. Take $100 away from someone. And then two weeks later you give them back $20 and they're happy. Why because they forget that you took the hundred dollars away and now they're $20 richer. I don't get it.
Try another analogy.
08-16-2017, 05:42 PM
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Flow is many, many years away and even then it will be done with much kicking and screaming from Delta. Their aversion to a flow is embedded in management's soul. Other programs will crop up before any pure flow.
08-16-2017, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Except that's not even remotely what happened? Regionals never made Delta rates. In fact, there is more money at subcontractors now than at any other time in aviation history.
Try another analogy.
Try another analogy.
08-16-2017, 08:19 PM
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Although we work just as hard, if not harder, Delta owns us. When you own a company, you call the shots. No CEO reads these threads, so complainin gets us as a whole: no where.
If you make it to mainline, you don't care for regional issues, nor will you be knocking on Ed Bastians office door, complaining to help bring dudes from his only wholely owned regional carrier about giving them a flow, cause you just won't get it from him, respectively. What we ought to do, is worry bout pay increase, once the bonus expires. Flow, the F word as they call it, will not exist, which is actually what separates Delta from others, they don't follow others. Unless your holy president ruins the economy and someone else fixes it
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If you make it to mainline, you don't care for regional issues, nor will you be knocking on Ed Bastians office door, complaining to help bring dudes from his only wholely owned regional carrier about giving them a flow, cause you just won't get it from him, respectively. What we ought to do, is worry bout pay increase, once the bonus expires. Flow, the F word as they call it, will not exist, which is actually what separates Delta from others, they don't follow others. Unless your holy president ruins the economy and someone else fixes it
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08-17-2017, 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle
You completely missed the point. I was referring to what was taking away in the bankruptcy and by the way I know the regionals never made Delta rates, but maybe it's time they should. My analogy was on point!
Also, you'll never get Delta rates. Ever. No one subcontractor will because that defeats the point of what you do. By demanding them, you undermine your own negotiating.
08-17-2017, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle
This is the problem with the regional mentality. Take $100 away from someone. And then two weeks later you give them back $20 and they're happy. Why because they forget that you took the hundred dollars away and now they're $20 richer. I don't get it.
Not trying to argue, but want to put things into perspective a bit.
08-17-2017, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
No. It wasn't. You can't say you need Delta rates then, when I say you aren't ever going to get them, reply with an analogy about taking back 20% of what you gave up.
Also, you'll never get Delta rates. Ever. No one subcontractor will because that defeats the point of what you do. By demanding them, you undermine your own negotiating.
Also, you'll never get Delta rates. Ever. No one subcontractor will because that defeats the point of what you do. By demanding them, you undermine your own negotiating.
08-17-2017, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle
All I'm saying is you come in high, they come in low and you both meet in the middle. You don't come in low and accept something lower. A flow will come,you just have to keep negotiating it.
08-17-2017, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
See my post above. Delta will not give you flow. Only when it's their last desperate effort to staff mainline will they consider it. Focus on what's attainable, i.e. raises, QOL, and benefit improvements. Flow won't be for a long, long time.
No flow, why would they flow when they could just hire PSA pilots like they have been doing?
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08-17-2017, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Aviationslave
No flow, why would they flow when they could just hire PSA pilots like they have been doing?
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Flow is a pipe dream.
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