Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
11-27-2016, 11:08 AM
#8631
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Delta still is and will be a highly competitive place to be hired for the foreseeable future. Because AK has been extremely successful at his job for a long time is precisely why Delta will not make a major course change with his rumored retirement. Resistance to a flow has never started with him. That goes way above him and involves many pieces even though he may be one. Anyone believing this represents major change with our hiring practices is dreaming, which is putting it mildly.
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11-27-2016, 11:19 AM
#8632
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Optimist or realist? Sarcasm aside, depending on where someone sits in all of this is a matter of perspective. I think it's foolish to think just because one person may be retiring (still not confirmed/announced) that all of a sudden talk of a flow should be resurrected. That makes me more of a realist.
Lastly, whether you acknowledge it or not some pilots new to the game could actually make career decisions on all this conjecture. I'm sorry if you think I ****ed in your Cheerios but I believe it serves the greater good to keep rumors about this to a minimum. Again, that makes me more a realist than anything.
Lastly, whether you acknowledge it or not some pilots new to the game could actually make career decisions on all this conjecture. I'm sorry if you think I ****ed in your Cheerios but I believe it serves the greater good to keep rumors about this to a minimum. Again, that makes me more a realist than anything.
11-27-2016, 11:35 AM
#8633
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I doubt there will be any change when AK retires. Why should there be? They know who they are and they know who they want. The only real reason 9E cares is because of our own staffing. I don't have the numbers but I believe AA has the market capacity share of entry-level aviators cornered in large part due to career progression. My opinion is born from the fact that compensation is pretty equal. So, screw the flow to mainline. Flow to DAL only comes from the Navy and the Air Mobility Command.
In addition to that, the lack of incoming aircraft means that we will now hire only for attrition. So reserve is likely to remain stagnant or even climb in seniority in DTW and MSP until say, next summer if the additional -200 rumor takes flight. -900 for even longer, perhaps. Again, I have no data and this is purely an opinion. Still, 9E is a good place to work with respect to being a regional carrier.
In addition to that, the lack of incoming aircraft means that we will now hire only for attrition. So reserve is likely to remain stagnant or even climb in seniority in DTW and MSP until say, next summer if the additional -200 rumor takes flight. -900 for even longer, perhaps. Again, I have no data and this is purely an opinion. Still, 9E is a good place to work with respect to being a regional carrier.
11-27-2016, 11:38 AM
#8634
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I doubt there will be any change when AK retires. Why should there be? They know who they are and they know who they want. The only real reason 9E cares is because of our own staffing. I don't have the numbers but I believe AA has the market capacity share of entry-level aviators cornered in large part due to career progression. My opinion is born from the fact that compensation is pretty equal. So, screw the flow to mainline. Flow to DAL only comes from the Navy and the Air Mobility Command.
In addition to that, the lack of incoming aircraft means that we will now hire only for attrition. So reserve is likely to remain stagnant or even climb in seniority in DTW and MSP until say, next summer if the additional -200 rumor takes flight. -900 for even longer, perhaps. Again, I have no data and this is purely an opinion. Still, 9E is a good place to work with respect to being a regional carrier.
In addition to that, the lack of incoming aircraft means that we will now hire only for attrition. So reserve is likely to remain stagnant or even climb in seniority in DTW and MSP until say, next summer if the additional -200 rumor takes flight. -900 for even longer, perhaps. Again, I have no data and this is purely an opinion. Still, 9E is a good place to work with respect to being a regional carrier.
11-27-2016, 11:48 AM
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Flow as in the failure rate of military applicants. Virtually nonexistent. From my source, the only military applicant that fails to obtain a CJO is the one that gets it taken away following issues uncovered on day 2.
11-27-2016, 11:56 AM
#8636
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Both were female military - one black 135 driver, one white fighter pilot. One failed the knowledge test, the other the HR portion.
If 2 failed Day 1, then I'd say the failure rate is higher than you or I believe it to be.
11-27-2016, 12:00 PM
#8637
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AA offer true cradle to grave paths. You can be in the system as a CFI, flight benefits, etc then when you have your time, straight into an RJ class.
We are behind on that front, but hopefully not for long. The folks doing our recruiting/hiring are doing their best and staying ahead as much as possible.
We are behind on that front, but hopefully not for long. The folks doing our recruiting/hiring are doing their best and staying ahead as much as possible.
11-27-2016, 12:08 PM
#8638
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I doubt there will be any change when AK retires. Why should there be? They know who they are and they know who they want. The only real reason 9E cares is because of our own staffing. I don't have the numbers but I believe AA has the market capacity share of entry-level aviators cornered in large part due to career progression. My opinion is born from the fact that compensation is pretty equal. So, screw the flow to mainline. Flow to DAL only comes from the Navy and the Air Mobility Command.
In addition to that, the lack of incoming aircraft means that we will now hire only for attrition. So reserve is likely to remain stagnant or even climb in seniority in DTW and MSP until say, next summer if the additional -200 rumor takes flight. -900 for even longer, perhaps. Again, I have no data and this is purely an opinion. Still, 9E is a good place to work with respect to being a regional carrier.
In addition to that, the lack of incoming aircraft means that we will now hire only for attrition. So reserve is likely to remain stagnant or even climb in seniority in DTW and MSP until say, next summer if the additional -200 rumor takes flight. -900 for even longer, perhaps. Again, I have no data and this is purely an opinion. Still, 9E is a good place to work with respect to being a regional carrier.
Management is hoping to fix the stagnation in DTW and MSP with the opening of the "Southern 200 base" but I doubt that will help much if at all... How many guys that lived in MEM commuted to ATL just to fly the 900? Quite a few I'm told. What makes you think they are going to bid off the 900 in DTW or MSP to commute to the 200 in ATL??? I think this is a big miscalculation. We will become even more overstaffed on the 900 in DTW and MSP because even more flying on that plane is scheduled to shift to New York next year and the captains on that plane aren't interested in going to the 200 in any base. Now maybe you change some of their minds if you offered to pay them 900 pay to change planes, but I doubt it. They simply don't want the extra work involved with the 200 (extra legs per day and less automated systems for example) I think the only ways you move guys out of DTW and MSP 900 captain in any real numbers over the next 10 years is either a true flow through or a displacement. And a flow may not even be enough to thin these positions with how many lifers are there. Or bring flying back to those bases for the 900.. but that's not likely to happen in the next couple years as things currently are.
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11-27-2016, 02:28 PM
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Management is hoping to fix the stagnation in DTW and MSP with the opening of the "Southern 200 base" but I doubt that will help much if at all... How many guys that lived in MEM commuted to ATL just to fly the 900? Quite a few I'm told. What makes you think they are going to bid off the 900 in DTW or MSP to commute to the 200 in ATL??? I think this is a big miscalculation. We will become even more overstaffed on the 900 in DTW and MSP because even more flying on that plane is scheduled to shift to New York next year and the captains on that plane aren't interested in going to the 200 in any base. Now maybe you change some of their minds if you offered to pay them 900 pay to change planes, but I doubt it. They simply don't want the extra work involved with the 200 (extra legs per day and less automated systems for example) I think the only ways you move guys out of DTW and MSP 900 captain in any real numbers over the next 10 years is either a true flow through or a displacement. And a flow may not even be enough to thin these positions with how many lifers are there. Or bring flying back to those bases for the 900.. but that's not likely to happen in the next couple years as things currently are.
Management is hoping to fix the stagnation in DTW and MSP with the opening of the "Southern 200 base" but I doubt that will help much if at all... How many guys that lived in MEM commuted to ATL just to fly the 900? Quite a few I'm told. What makes you think they are going to bid off the 900 in DTW or MSP to commute to the 200 in ATL??? I think this is a big miscalculation. We will become even more overstaffed on the 900 in DTW and MSP because even more flying on that plane is scheduled to shift to New York next year and the captains on that plane aren't interested in going to the 200 in any base. Now maybe you change some of their minds if you offered to pay them 900 pay to change planes, but I doubt it. They simply don't want the extra work involved with the 200 (extra legs per day and less automated systems for example) I think the only ways you move guys out of DTW and MSP 900 captain in any real numbers over the next 10 years is either a true flow through or a displacement. And a flow may not even be enough to thin these positions with how many lifers are there. Or bring flying back to those bases for the 900.. but that's not likely to happen in the next couple years as things currently are.
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