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Bob Loblaw 05-11-2017 02:21 PM

I'm sure they'll do it out of the kindness of their heart, like always.

moon 05-11-2017 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Subpilot (Post 2362191)
Unfortunately, it's what the contract says that counts and the contract does not mention a 25 pilot minimum for the 35% group.

Yes it does read Letter 12-04 Section 3 Paragraph d.
"When AA is hiring, Eagle shall release a minimum of twenty-five (25) Eagle pilots per month who have accepted pilot positions at AA under the Preferential Hiring Program to fill AA new hire Positions, provided that, if American becomes obligated to offer sufficient pilot positions to fill a minimum of 50% of each new hire class pursuant to paragraph 4 of the separate Agreement, then Eagle shall use its best efforts to release a sufficient number of pilots per month to fill such classes, but in no event less than 25."

Subpilot 05-11-2017 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2362199)
Yes it does read Letter 12-04 Section 3 Paragraph d.
"When AA is hiring, Eagle shall release a minimum of twenty-five (25) Eagle pilots per month who have accepted pilot positions at AA under the Preferential Hiring Program to fill AA new hire Positions, provided that, if American becomes obligated to offer sufficient pilot positions to fill a minimum of 50% of each new hire class pursuant to paragraph 4 of the separate Agreement, then Eagle shall use its best efforts to release a sufficient number of pilots per month to fill such classes, but in no event less than 25."

I stand corrected. The interesting thing is that paragraph says "minimum of 25 pilots with no reference to the 35%. The prior letter 12-03 states 35% with no reference to the minimum 25 pilots. Sounds like combined, it is up to 35% but never less than 25 regardless and we know it won't ever be more than 25 so 25 it is... regardless of class size at AA.

Centurion 05-11-2017 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Subpilot (Post 2362206)
I stand corrected. The interesting thing is that paragraph says "minimum of 25 pilots with no reference to the 35%. The prior letter 12-03 states 35% with no reference to the minimum 25 pilots. Sounds like combined, it is up to 35% but never less than 25 regardless and we know it won't ever be more than 25 so 25 it is... regardless of class size at AA.

That's what I was saying! It's a min of 25 regardless of the percentage. :)

ORDinary 05-12-2017 09:36 AM

I happily stand corrected too. I had only ever read 12-03, but 12-04 does say that. Great catch. The best part about it is that it doesn't say they can meter it to 25, it says a minimum of 25.

moon 05-12-2017 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2362623)
I happily stand corrected too. I had only ever read 12-03, but 12-04 does say that. Great catch. The best part about it is that it doesn't say they can meter it to 25, it says a minimum of 25.

Can't let them flow less than required!

Centurion 05-12-2017 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2362704)
Can't let them flow less than required!

Exactly, we need to hold them accountable.

TeeRainPULup 05-12-2017 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by centurion (Post 2362719)
exactly, we need to hold them accountable.

30 pp is pretty accountable

Jersdawg 05-12-2017 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by TeeRainPULup (Post 2362897)
30 pp is pretty accountable

Selections and butts in the seat are two different things. Accountability will be determined when PPs are sent to class.

TeeRainPULup 05-12-2017 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by Jersdawg (Post 2362913)
Selections and butts in the seat are two different things. Accountability will be determined when PPs are sent to class.

I don't disagree but 30 seats isn't a bad start.


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