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HardLemonade 08-31-2017 09:23 AM
Originally Posted by Jersdawg (Post 2422782)
I spoke with my rep, and he said they're working on it. Part of the union's stance (aside from the fact that flowing more people would keep to keep projections on target) is the optics of flowing more than the metered minimum. It's good for recruiting and would also make mgmt look like they throw us a bone every once in awhile. It would be a win-win in a situation we don't have any control over (AA stopping classes).

He didn't say if the company is receptive to the idea or not, but the union is trying.
Hey Dawg...did you ask your rep about anything else? Like this very cryptic, upcoming Reserve overhaul? I would ask my own reps but I don't know who they are. I don't think we even have a CA rep in DFW currently.

Jersdawg 08-31-2017 09:29 AM
Originally Posted by HardLemonade (Post 2422836)
Hey Dawg...did you ask your rep about anything else? Like this very cryptic, upcoming Reserve overhaul? I would ask my own reps but I don't know who they are. I don't think we even have a CA rep in DFW currently.
He said we'd see something about RSV in the next 2-3 weeks but couldn't give details. It will be voted on by the pilot group after road shows. Sorry I don't have anything else.

Boogerface 08-31-2017 09:32 AM
Originally Posted by Jersdawg (Post 2422782)
I spoke with my rep, and he said they're working on it. Part of the union's stance (aside from the fact that flowing more people would keep to keep projections on target) is the optics of flowing more than the metered minimum. It's good for recruiting and would also make mgmt look like they throw us a bone every once in awhile. It would be a win-win in a situation we don't have any control over (AA stopping classes).

He didn't say if the company is receptive to the idea or not, but the union is trying.
Somehow I get the picture in my head of Oliver Twist holding out his empty bowl and asking for more. Of course, we know how well that request went....

HardLemonade 08-31-2017 09:35 AM
Originally Posted by Jersdawg (Post 2422842)
He said we'd see something about RSV in the next 2-3 weeks but couldn't give details. It will be voted on by the pilot group after road shows. Sorry I don't have anything else.
Cool beans...thanks for the info.

ORDinary 08-31-2017 11:17 AM
Originally Posted by Jersdawg (Post 2422782)
I spoke with my rep, and he said they're working on it. Part of the union's stance (aside from the fact that flowing more people would keep to keep projections on target) is the optics of flowing more than the metered minimum. It's good for recruiting and would also make mgmt look like they throw us a bone every once in awhile. It would be a win-win in a situation we don't have any control over (AA stopping classes).

He didn't say if the company is receptive to the idea or not, but the union is trying.
The union has been trying to push them not to meter for over a year now, to no avail. I'm certainly not going to hold my breath or say crazy things like I expect the company to do the right thing. I would love to be proven wrong and will happily admit it if I am, but to me there is almost no chance they will give up pilots they don't have to give up right before the holidays. Christmas to them is when you force contract votes with liquidation threats, not when you give gifts. And if we are getting enough new hires and getting flights out on time, why would they need to throw us a bone? Bones cost money.

Bigpimppilot 08-31-2017 01:23 PM
Where's cr700 or dacuj on this?

ORDinary 09-01-2017 06:15 AM
Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot (Post 2423007)
Where's cr700 or dacuj on this?
Well dacuj is banned but would just say we'll flow 500 next year to make up for it, and cr700 would tell us we are a bunch of whiners.

They metered flow in early 2016 when we had over 100 reserves in each of a few different statuses (they said the metering was due to future theoretical staffing levels). If they metered then, it seems like they'll always meter.

Pedro4President 09-01-2017 10:15 AM
Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2423271)
Well dacuj is banned but would just say we'll flow 500 next year to make up for it, and cr700 would tell us we are a bunch of whiners.

They metered flow in early 2016 when we had over 100 reserves in each of a few different statuses (they said the metering was due to future theoretical staffing levels). If they metered then, it seems like they'll always meter.
They metered the flow when we offered zero time lines.

ORDinary 09-01-2017 10:34 AM
Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2423397)
They metered the flow when we offered zero time lines.
That's right! I forgot about that.

ORDinary 09-03-2017 09:02 AM
From an AA thread:

"SEP 5 (38 Pilots)
NOV 7 (44 Pilots)
NOV 28 (44 Pilots)

No October or December classes."

That would likely mean we flow 19 in Sept, 25 in Nov, 44 total remaining for the year. I believe that would make the 2017 total 263.


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