What are the official fleet plans for Envoy? What is the rumor mill saying about fleet plans? I've read a lot about it, but nothing seems to be real current. Are the CRJ's still going away eventually? I also keep hearing people say it's going to be an all 175 airline eventually. Whats the real deal? Is it a concern that the airline might start shrinking again or will they be replaced with 175's as the other planes leave?

Nobody knows. And anyone who acts like they do is lying. I'm not convinced that AAG/Envoy management has a plan nailed down yet.

It seems like they plan three months out at a time....which is then subject to change. Like us, AAG and Envoy don't know til it actually happens 😎

As stated above, it's very, very fluid. Right now, the best I can tell you... we'll have 44 E175s by the end of the year. There have been no announcements about exercising additional options. The CRJs are all slated to go to PSA eventually, but word on the street is that they have temporarily halted transfer of those aircraft due to PSA staffing (no actual confirmation of this rumor from the company at this time). The 145s appear to be staying around for a while, in some capacity - I have no idea if transfers to PDT are still happening or not. The 140s are slowly but surely being brought out from the desert - we're SUPPOSED to get all of them back onto the line, but staffing limitations may prohibit that. Stay tuned, as rumors/announcements change very often.

175 still DFW only?

ORD 175 is opening in a couple months too.

To shed some light, the transfer of your 700s to PSA has not been stopped. According to our management AA wants the transfer to continue at 1 /month until PSA can handle 2 /month. The airline is actually currently pretty fat on pilots, the issue is Mx personnel. Word has it they are close to a TA with Mx and AA has told our management to “get it done ASAP”.

The word I heard was 150 E175s at Envoy, 150 CRJs at PSA, as many 145s Piedmont can staff, with RAH and SkyWest flying where needed. Other Eagle contract regionals will cease operations as the WOs can do the flying. AWAC is gone Feb 2018. TSA and Compass will likely be next. SkyWest will eventually absorb the XJT Eagle flying. Mesa’s flying will likely depend on their ability to staff.

According to AB during a recurrent class the CRJs will continue to PSA as deemed able by their staffing abilities. So the end game is for them to be at PSA. How long that will take? No one knows. As for 175s, 44 is the max we will get as of now. The statement of Envoy being all 175s is what our CEO desires, nothing more. AAG is the only one who can make that happen. The 145/140 are staying with some still transferring to PDT. As to how many is left to go, I don’t really know. I do know that this fleet isn’t really growing with the gains and losses over time. Anyone stating that we are growing is only looking at the short term operation. Yes, we have gained the labor aspect of the business, but from what I understand the size of the operation isn’t that much bigger as of now and looking forward 5-10 years.


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The 150 E175s at Envoy came from Doug Parker I believe.

All of this sounds right.