Last flow per our union email showed 12/5/2005


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I sincerely doubt most of the non protected pilots will ever see a flow. I’m sure in two or three years they won’t be able to staff the WOs and will have to bring it all in house with lower pay or same as now. Also... yea I’m surprised at how many guys haven’t updated apps or logbooks, they’re losing out on a lot of money by waiting for the flow.

12/2005 are the guys currently flowing. That’s right. 12 year flow. Hopefully new hires aren’t buying into the predatory recruiting tactics of Envoy’s recruiting department. They have advertised right here on this site a 5 year flow with 40+ flowing each month.

A “fed” asked you that? What interest would they have in asking you that?

AA will only hire 730 pilots for 2018. According to a Jumpseater this morning.

Wow, I honestly thought I misheard the captain about the flow. I know comparing peed on to eagle is like apples and oranges. But, we are into the 08s. It’s the guys hired in 11 that hit the jockpot. Most are 28-31. Back when no one wanted to come fly those two fan S cans. We are about to reach a very serious problem I believe. Our Training Dept is going to become a revolving door. Losing EVERYONE w 4 plus years of instructing exp. We don’t have the exp you guys do or the numbers. it’s going to be new hires teaching new hires. Going 2 be a difficult task to keep checkairmen and APDs here. The fed was curious what it might take to keep someone around who has been here to move up the ranks within Dept. I wasn’t unreasonable in my response... fwiw Im still embarrassed about how it all went down and our group slit your guys’ throat when we had the golden opportunity to get it ALL back. Hope I’m not stepping on anyone’s toes in our thread. Just curious what’s going on there compared to here. Again, they are two completely different airlines I know This.

That issue is apparently why the PDT old timers in the union are trying to slip in “non seniority list” instructor clause into contract negotiations with the company. They want to be able to setup permanent shop in the training center after age 65 hits and they collect their pensions.

Between taking instructor jobs off the seniority list and PBS for scheduling like management wants, PDT will probably be looking at a 30+% reduction in manning requirements compared to what they need now for the expansion.

Dacuj you got this oh wait you are banned!

Flow is no longer a selling point for new hires over there at envoy plain and simple.

The 60+ person classes they are running say otherwise. The small class in December is because of the holidays. They will be back to normal in Jan.

Ooo this got interesting. I hope you’re not referring to all the prices we paid during negotiations for nominal flow through and severe cuts to pay and QOL.

Any one of us would’ve sacrificed “increased flow” for better pay and work rules, not what was shoved down our throats during BK.

Let’s also not forget the union that did nothing when 2 bases closed, and there were massive involuntary displacements. Thanks for sending the emails though.