dera

Top 6 can, less the 1 and 3, so I guess the new top 4 can. And this assuming no DCL above them bids reserve.
Simply because they would be in the top 130 of DCL's based on their seniority.
But yeah, DCL is a super senior position.

pitchattitude

Again, not the case. I’m senior to a few of those guys and I can’t even get close to a composite line. The most junior DCL is an April 2017 hire and hasn’t even been to training yet. The guys you are talking about are only a little senior to that. Definitely not able to hold a line.

Look at the seniority list again. That number one on the DFL reserve list is about 180 on the DCL list and a June 16 hire date. Again, no where near a line.

dera

I'm not sure how you are looking at it. The senior DFL (apart from the nr 1 you said who's in training) is seniority 569, a 2013 hire. 569 Seniority would be nr. 109 as DCL, easily a lineholder.

pitchattitude

I agree that person could hold a line as DCL. And since that person is not on the reserve list now, I’m sure they will be upgrading soon.

I was looking at who is on today’s DCL reserve list.

But there are people who have been out on medical or military leave that may have recently come back and unless you look at the seniority list that shows where they will be you probably can’t tell who those might be. Those people are all outliers so you can’t use those as the norm.

dera

The easier way is just to see how many hard lines there are, and how many spots from the top those people would be. This is the most pessimistic way to look at it, because some top guys always bid reserve on purpose.

Or for FO's, check 3XP and see who the junior lineholder is. At the moment for DFL, the junior lineholder is Aug/2018 hire. This will probably drop slightly with the new planes, summer flying, and not that much hiring to the fleet.

For DCL also - there's crazy movement coming in the next few months for flow alone. So it's really hard to predict what's going to happen.

Besides. Reserve ain't that bad if you live in base. If not, it sucks.
Some of the guys from our class got a "crew scheduling special" schedule. Nothing like commuting to reserve for one single day with a 6am start. Then home for 2 days, then 2 day block...

Cyio

Word from the union is reserve talks are done for the foreseeable future, at least 2020 if not all the way to the amenable period. So, those on reserve or thinking of base transferring, be sure you live in that base or can hold a line, otherwise the stink will be real bad.

If you are a DEC applicant, I wouldn't come here. Word is they are ending the program and you dont want to be on the backside of that.

Anyone else thinking of coming here, please live in a base, preferably ORD due to being junior otherwise you will also be stuck with our industry worst reserve rules (for commuters anyway). Think carefully.

FlyPurdue

Is there a way to '3XP' other bases?

I emailed the negotiating committee with how disappointed I am that there will be no further reserve negotiations. Every pilot contract has an aggregate 'cost per pilot' and what I wanted to know was did the concessions the company was seeking raise or lower the total 'cost per pilot' and how does our 'cost per pilot' compare to the other WO's? They may not share (or have) that information, but the CBAs being public documents - that value should be able to be calculated, even if it is just baselined to Envoy's.

Cyio

To your first question, I dont think so, however I would just ask here and get an idea of what number holds the lowest hard line. In addition, I often check the union seniority list to gauge where my number falls in the big scheme of things.

To your second question, too preface, I had zero participation in any negotiations, however it was my feeling that the initial agreement we had in place just prior to the beginning of the year, had a very slight increase in cost to the company. Keep in mind, we are in a period when companies are all negotiating higher wages and quality of life for pilots, so this wasn't a huge leap and pennies compared to Endeavor, Skywest, Republic and the like. We did offer a "concession" to get it to the point it was. When the company came back to the table after the new year, they wanted several things that would have saved them money, hence lowering the cost.

To be honest, the company was in the wrong here. We had a deal and they changed it at the last minute and essentially rubbed our noses in crap. It was not in good faith and was asking for a huge concession of grievences just to continue discussion, with no guarantee the deal would be done.

So dont get upset with the union on this one, they did the work and essentially were mislead that they had a deal. This screwup is on the company and they clearly dont care that we have some of the worst rules in the industry, especially for commuters.

wiz5422

The company doesn't care, neither does many of the new hires or recent hires here.

If more would do their research before coming here, instead of being blinded by the big bonuses, screwing over the existing pilots in the mean time they would of known that the bonuses where there to cover up our crappy contract rules.

If no one would apply or accept a job offer for a few short months the company would be forced to change the reserve rules and pay scale. Short term pain for long term GAIN.

We (pilots) are our own worst enemy.

havick206

No one is screwing over anyone by taking a job. We don’t have any struck work.