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Old 01-17-2018 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
Your numbered comments yesterday caused me to ask my friends at Southwest and Delta if their company’s did anything of the sort. I though maybe having spent my career at Eagle and now AA, that I was somehow missing something more common in the industry outside this corporation. Well, their answers were no. Nothing even remotely close to that at either airline. AAL is the same. No email, no congrats, no nothing from anyone in any sort of management position. The Checkairman, of course, give you a big smile and a handshake, and all that, but that’s it.

Honestly, what would amount to a form letter, which is all they could really do if they were to even consider this, would be something I’d roll my eyes at anyway.
I don't know who you asked or how long they've been around, but Delta does do something like that. At least they are now.
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Old 01-17-2018 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield

I interviewed at both Envoy and EDV. I live in the DFW area. I just wanted to share my experience and why I chose EDV.

Yet, you chose to post in the Envoy Forum.


Interesting.






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Old 01-17-2018 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
I don't know who you asked or how long they've been around, but Delta does do something like that. At least they are now.
From my buddy who’s now a captain on the 320 out of ATL:

“No email that I remember. Personally, I think the idea of a congratulatory email for passing a checkride is not necessary. After all, you’re hired because they think it’s a given you’ll pass.”

Plus, he just finished his upgrade training, having previously flown the 767-400 prior to his upgrade into the Airbus. He mentioned no congratulatory email for that milestone either.
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Old 01-17-2018 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
From my buddy who’s now a captain on the 320 out of ATL:

“No email that I remember. Personally, I think the idea of a congratulatory email for passing a checkride is not necessary. After all, you’re hired because they think it’s a given you’ll pass.”

Plus, he just finished his upgrade training, having previously flown the 767-400 prior to his upgrade into the Airbus. He mentioned no congratulatory email for that milestone either.
I'm at Delta. You can't walk through the training center without people stopping to welcome you if you remotely look like a new hire. Between line pilots and management types, it really is pretty well anyone you bump into or sees you in a hallway congratulates you personally.

Congratulation e-mail wasn't for the check-ride, but there were personal congratulations at the check-ride. I got 3 different congratulation e-mails from 3 different sources when I got off IOE, as well as a couple e-mails after INDOC. I consider that to be close enough. I can't speak for the upgrades, but my sim partner was an upgrade and the APD and FAA observer we had made a bit of a thing about a congratulation to him and the APD had a set of CA wings to present to him.
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Old 01-17-2018 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
I'm at Delta. You can't walk through the training center without people stopping to welcome you if you remotely look like a new hire. Between line pilots and management types, it really is pretty well anyone you bump into or sees you in a hallway congratulates you personally.

Congratulation e-mail wasn't for the check-ride, but there were personal congratulations at the check-ride. I got 3 different congratulation e-mails from 3 different sources when I got off IOE, as well as a couple e-mails after INDOC. I consider that to be close enough. I can't speak for the upgrades, but my sim partner was an upgrade and the APD and FAA observer we had made a bit of a thing about a congratulation to him and the APD had a set of CA wings to present to him.

Well, yea, we got the “we’re glad you’re here. We REALLY are (and I believed that)” comments from dozens of instructors and managers while in training, which was nice. Same from the Base CP’s when I met them.

Email congratulation for a Checkride passed? No.
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Old 01-17-2018 | 10:05 AM
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The military does make a much bigger deal when folks receive their initial rating.

And Envoy does do the Captain’s dinner thing.

While I didn’t expect a personal congratulations from The chief pilot, there were a number of things, including my wings, I had to chase down. An email from the base CPO with some information would be a great benefit. I’m sure different IOE guys cover things differently, but even getting to the first day of IOE could use some info. The IN day is a complete joke/waste of a commute and that isn’t until after IOE. Even guys that live in base probably spent more time on the employee shuttle just getting to the CPO.

And as I understand the guys at AA do a meet and greet with their new base CP after they are awarded assignments before they start training. Southwest pays to have spouses brought in the first few days when you start.

So I think there can be a lot more done to welcome and inform. And believe me, I am far from a glory monger want to be nothing more than a name on a paycheck.
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Old 01-17-2018 | 10:24 AM
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I think the point isn’t about emails and trophies. It’s more about an overall culture of thinking its pilots are nothing more than a nuisance.
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Old 01-17-2018 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DilsonWic
I think the point isn’t about emails and trophies. It’s more about an overall culture of thinking its pilots are nothing more than a nuisance.

This....^^^^^^^

Some of you are taking what the other guy with a list said out of wack and detailing his comment, I went back and read it in context. He was trying to just make the same point above.

I like how the Delta guy articulated his experience also.

I do believe a lot of you from the Eagle era are a bit jaded with PTSD and expectations. None of your faults.
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Old 01-17-2018 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DilsonWic
I think the point isn’t about emails and trophies. It’s more about an overall culture of thinking its pilots are nothing more than a nuisance.
I actually left a company for that reason. As did a Director of Ops and a Chief Pilot. As well as people choosing not to step up. The company seemed to think their HR manager was more important than ANY pilot.

I don’t think any M51 messages go out if someone in management is a minute late with something.
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Old 01-17-2018 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
I don't know who you asked or how long they've been around, but Delta does do something like that. At least they are now.
😮... oooopppppsss....boxes of chocolates, huge bouquets of flowers and a big ole huge arm swinging pat on the back from the leader in the industry! Lol
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