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Old 01-23-2018 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
190 flying going away and need to use 175s to replace that lift is the speculation that makes the most sense.
This actually makes the most sense of anything I’ve heard, though speculative
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Old 01-23-2018 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 3GreenKSNA
How much wiggle room is left in scope?

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If they configure all CR7 to 65 seats there's actually quite a bit of room. AA's narrowbody fleet has been holding around 800 aircraft. 40% of that number can be large RJs so around 320 total.

Republic-86 E75
Compass-20 E75
Envoy-54 E75 (when delivered)
Mesa-64 CR9
PSA-54 CR9

Total 278

Breaking it down even farther there can be 75% of total AA narrowbody fleet in RJs which puts the number around 600 total RJs large and small.

Skywest/ASA-57 CR7 (8 more than current coming online this summer)
Envoy/PSA-61 CR7

Total 118

Where it gets interesting is the 50/44 seat fleet. The E140 will fill in the remainder of the total RJ count as AW and maybe some of the 11 SKYW CR2 leave the fleet

TSA/PDT/Envoy-118 E145
Envoy-49 E140
PSA-35 CR2

Total 202

Grand Total 598

If you've read this far the limiting factor currently isn't large RJ scope it's total RJ scope. That's probably why they're not adding those 10 Envoy E75 until Q4. They'll likely need to phase out some of the short term lift that SKYW was doing with their CR2 or CR7 (less Likely) in order to accommodate those E75 for Envoy. There are some assumptions on my part in there but I think it paints a pretty accurate picture of the RJ scope at AA
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Old 01-23-2018 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by go skers
If they configure all CR7 to 65 seats there's actually quite a bit of room. AA's narrowbody fleet has been holding around 800 aircraft. 40% of that number can be large RJs so around 320 total.

Republic-86 E75
Compass-20 E75
Envoy-54 E75 (when delivered)
Mesa-64 CR9
PSA-54 CR9

Total 278

Breaking it down even farther there can be 75% of total AA narrowbody fleet in RJs which puts the number around 600 total RJs large and small.

Skywest/ASA-57 CR7 (8 more than current coming online this summer)
Envoy/PSA-61 CR7

Total 118

Where it gets interesting is the 50/44 seat fleet. The E140 will fill in the remainder of the total RJ count as AW and maybe some of the 11 SKYW CR2 leave the fleet

TSA/PDT/Envoy-118 E145
Envoy-49 E140
PSA-35 CR2

Total 202

Grand Total 598

If you've read this far the limiting factor currently isn't large RJ scope it's total RJ scope. That's probably why they're not adding those 10 Envoy E75 until Q4. They'll likely need to phase out some of the short term lift that SKYW was doing with their CR2 or CR7 (less Likely) in order to accommodate those E75 for Envoy. There are some assumptions on my part in there but I think it paints a pretty accurate picture of the RJ scope at AA
Thank you for running these numbers. I was under the impression that the large RJs were the cap right now, not the total number so I appreciate you clearing that up.

The original PSA CR7s are still configured over 65 seats, right? Are there plans to change that, or is it just speculation that they will? I've been hearing "if they bring them down to 65 seats" for a couple years now.
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Old 01-23-2018 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Jersdawg
Thank you for running these numbers. I was under the impression that the large RJs were the cap right now, not the total number so I appreciate you clearing that up.

The original PSA CR7s are still configured over 65 seats, right? Are there plans to change that, or is it just speculation that they will? I've been hearing "if they bring them down to 65 seats" for a couple years now.
The 14 original PSA CR7 had 67 seats. Really not sure if they've reconfigured them or not. I heard they did but a PSA guy would know more than me. The 47 Envoy birds all have 65/63 seat configurations. I believe the 12+8 ASA CR7 all have 65 seats in them while the remaining 37ish CR7 operated by SKYW mostly have the 70 seat configuration that they kept when they came off contract with United.
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Old 01-23-2018 | 08:29 AM
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This is all I can come up with. First start in the merging process. Open like bases.
God I hope not.
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Old 01-23-2018 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by go skers
The 14 original PSA CR7 had 67 seats. Really not sure if they've reconfigured them or not. I heard they did but a PSA guy would know more than me. The 47 Envoy birds all have 65/63 seat configurations. I believe the 12+8 ASA CR7 all have 65 seats in them while the remaining 37ish CR7 operated by SKYW mostly have the 70 seat configuration that they kept when they came off contract with United.
They have all been reconfigured to 65 seats, some of the ENY transfers have 63, dunno if they are are gonna change those to 65 too or not.
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Old 01-23-2018 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
190 flying going away and need to use 175s to replace that lift is the speculation that makes the most sense.
This is good! more upgrades for the E175 baby bus!
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Old 01-23-2018 | 11:04 AM
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Where are the 190s going? Does AA not want to staff them anymore? Could those ever end up at a regional like envoy?
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Old 01-23-2018 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Seaplane
Where are the 190s going? Does AA not want to staff them anymore? Could those ever end up at a regional like envoy?
They're being retired to answer your first two questions. To your third: hell no.
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Old 01-23-2018 | 11:21 AM
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They're being retired to answer your first two questions. To your third: hell no.
I think that would be good for our pilot group.
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