When does Envoy's current contract expire?
01-29-2018 | 08:02 AM
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01-29-2018 | 08:31 AM
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Talk to guys at Skywest. I haven't heard anyone who likes it. The only people who don't mind PBS are those in the top 30% of seniority. Everyone else gets screwed.
I DTS most of my vacations so losing the extra week or two of free time, give or take, is a game changer for a lot of folks.
The bottom line here is that PBS only benefits the company. What do the we get out of it as a benefit? I have neither seen nor heard of any major positive aspect that improves QOL from PBS. Supposedly there will be less people on reserve. Supposedly. I highly doubt that will change seeing that this company's reserve system revolves around 1/3 of the pilot group being on reserve. And the only way for that to change is for an overhaul to the reserve system as a whole.
The simple fact is PBS is beneficial for the company's bottom line and nothing more than that.
I DTS most of my vacations so losing the extra week or two of free time, give or take, is a game changer for a lot of folks.
The bottom line here is that PBS only benefits the company. What do the we get out of it as a benefit? I have neither seen nor heard of any major positive aspect that improves QOL from PBS. Supposedly there will be less people on reserve. Supposedly. I highly doubt that will change seeing that this company's reserve system revolves around 1/3 of the pilot group being on reserve. And the only way for that to change is for an overhaul to the reserve system as a whole.
The simple fact is PBS is beneficial for the company's bottom line and nothing more than that.
My point exactly. That’s why I said ask “any senior FA” because at the time they were NOT senior. Now they will say it’s alright because they have the seniority. I remember when it first came out only the top 15% got what they bid for. Everyone else got nothing close to their PBS preferences. I understand it’s a change, but from what I witnessed years ago is this isn’t something the pilots should seek nor want.
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01-29-2018 | 08:38 AM
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My point exactly. That’s why I said ask “any senior FA” because at the time they were NOT senior. Now they will say it’s alright because they have the seniority. I remember when it first came out only the top 15% got what they bid for. Everyone else got nothing close to their PBS preferences. I understand it’s a change, but from what I witnessed years ago is this isn’t something the pilots should seek nor want.
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01-29-2018 | 09:09 AM
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When does Envoy's current contract expire?
The thing about PBS is there are hundreds of variations of the product. It's like saying 'Cars are bad!'. There are some versions of PBS which would be a significant improvement for Envoy pilots. For instance allegent has a good PBS that includes a SAP. Nav blue is another popular one. Realize that the arilines that have the best QOL in the entire industry have PBS. DAL, UAL, AA, Jet Blue.
Exactly! This is my point also. To say PBS is bad is just fear mongering.
It’s like claiming sex is bad. Depends on many factors, who, “where”, when, and “how.”
“PBS is bad ummkayyy. Ask our old-er flight attendants. 4 yrs ago how they liked it“
01-29-2018 | 09:09 AM
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Talk to guys at Skywest. I haven't heard anyone who likes it. The only people who don't mind PBS are those in the top 30% of seniority. Everyone else gets screwed.
I DTS most of my vacations so losing the extra week or two of free time, give or take, is a game changer for a lot of folks.
The bottom line here is that PBS only benefits the company. What do the we get out of it as a benefit? I have neither seen nor heard of any major positive aspect that improves QOL from PBS. Supposedly there will be less people on reserve. Supposedly. I highly doubt that will change seeing that this company's reserve system revolves around 1/3 of the pilot group being on reserve. And the only way for that to change is for an overhaul to the reserve system as a whole.
The simple fact is PBS is beneficial for the company's bottom line and nothing more than that.
I DTS most of my vacations so losing the extra week or two of free time, give or take, is a game changer for a lot of folks.
The bottom line here is that PBS only benefits the company. What do the we get out of it as a benefit? I have neither seen nor heard of any major positive aspect that improves QOL from PBS. Supposedly there will be less people on reserve. Supposedly. I highly doubt that will change seeing that this company's reserve system revolves around 1/3 of the pilot group being on reserve. And the only way for that to change is for an overhaul to the reserve system as a whole.
The simple fact is PBS is beneficial for the company's bottom line and nothing more than that.
One of the responses stated that Envoy revolves around having a reserve pool that is as deep as it it to avoid late departures. I get that, but the system is still incredibly inefficient FOR THE COMPANY as well as the pilots. The company is PAYING A WHOLE LOT OF GUYS TO NOT FLY. There has to be something better that would be beneficial to both parties. A more efficient reserve would save the company money and less people on reserve should mean less time on reserve as a pilot which I think most people would see as an improvement.
01-29-2018 | 09:16 AM
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What makes you think that Envoy's PBS will mirror any of those mentioned carriers versus other regionals PBS systems such as Mesa? If I was a betting man I'd say it would be very different from AA's system.
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