Originally Posted by BizJet

We’ve heard it will just be on the CA side and will have PBS attached to it. The FOs will stay with the current pay until hiring hits 0.

I’m about 95% sure it will be done without a vote. Our MEC chair has said he doesn’t have to bring anything to vote. So it’s coming just we don’t know when we’ll get an email saying “New LOA for Pay and PBS Benefits”...

Only way I think we all get pay across the board is when all WO hiring takes a major hit. But with y’alls huge full classes and ours full it will be a long time.

Originally Posted by Hardcharger

Should that be the case, then captains should be the only ones to go to PBS and the version of SAP that doing so will produce.

Originally Posted by ORDinary

They knew and we knew back in 2014 that pilot shortages and pressure to raise pay would be coming. That's one of the reasons we kept voting no despite the threats. Starting back then they have been structuring their feed to stay the cheapest while everyone else's pay went up. Pay is a recruitment tool, but cheaper recruitment tools include flow, RTP, cadet programs, quick upgrades, shiny 175s, etc. They locked us into paying more for benefits and getting less per diem 10 years. They locked us out of having our pay rates being determined by comparing us to like-sized regionals (yes, that used to be in our contract) right when like-sized regionals were starting get raises. The fact of the matter is that low morale is meaningless to them, unless it hurts recruitment. Which is why when the discussion boards get too negative you start seeing the management stooges posting on here.

Originally Posted by DilsonWic

Well CA pay scale is a good start. Envoy is short CAs not FOs.

And I’m fine with PBS attached. I won’t be here much longer. Either I’ll get a call or flow in a year.

Originally Posted by CaptJackSparrow

I'm not. There's no reason to be giving the company anything in this environment while everyone else gets pay plus better QOL for nothing.

Originally Posted by DilsonWic

They’ll get PSB when they want to. It’s just the sad reality of the situation we are in.

Originally Posted by AZPilotMike

Besides didn’t we already iron out that deal with agreement of 40 175’s? My understanding was that all they needed to do was give 4 months notice.

Originally Posted by AZPilotMike

Besides didn’t we already iron out that deal with agreement of 40 175’s? My understanding was that all they needed to do was give 4 months notice.

Originally Posted by CaptJackSparrow

The way I understood it was that on the delivery of the 41st that there would have to be talks about PBS but not that it would necessarily be implemented.