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Old 04-25-2018 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by V12Merlin
Aiming on coming over to help you guys out. We”ll see how it shakes out.
If your looking at DEC check out PDT. Virtually the same deal but no LGA.
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Old 04-25-2018 | 01:35 PM
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Thank you sir!
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Old 04-25-2018 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
I understand you are very bitter with Envoy (as you have stated here) and went to work for Alligent a couple of years ago. I trust you are happier there.

I have tried to share factual information and reasonable rationale. You repeatedly disagree with me and say I have rose colored glasses. That’s okay, we likely will never agree. I have no need to continue to debate you.

Incidentally, I am not new to Envoy.
It's OK. Keep on drooling over Envoy and its industry leading work rules, mainline 175s and.....flow. I'm afraid you are going to be disappointed soon.
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Old 04-25-2018 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
I understand you are very bitter with Envoy (as you have stated here) and went to work for Alligent a couple of years ago. I trust you are happier there.

I have tried to share factual information and reasonable rationale. You repeatedly disagree with me and say I have rose colored glasses. That’s okay, we likely will never agree. I have no need to continue to debate you.

Incidentally, I am not new to Envoy.
Just because he’s bitter doesn’t mean he isn’t right
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Old 04-25-2018 | 06:44 PM
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The reason why they can't attract enough "High Value Aviators" is because they think a 45K bonus is enough to get people to come over from a place like EDV, eventhough your actual CA pay is well less than EDV's. If they matched or exceeded EDV's pay (which AA certainly has the money for) as well as offering the bonus, you'd get your captains as well as force Delta to sh1t a brick when they started losing their soon to be captains that have 1000 hours and are just waiting for a vacancy/class date.
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Old 04-26-2018 | 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
I understand you are very bitter with Envoy (as you have stated here) and went to work for Alligent a couple of years ago. I trust you are happier there.

I have tried to share factual information and reasonable rationale. You repeatedly disagree with me and say I have rose colored glasses. That’s okay, we likely will never agree. I have no need to continue to debate you.

Incidentally, I am not new to Envoy.
If you not new at envoy then as they say you have your head stuck far in the sand. My friend, you buy the recruiter information like it is straight from Bible. Be wise and look inside and at fact instead. You have disease my friend and we here to help you put it behind.
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Old 04-26-2018 | 04:42 AM
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I appreciate all the feedback on my naïveté and inexperience. I have neither. My statement of the lesser of half or 25 is still correct. The greater of half or 25, as I have shown here, makes no sense in reality, as much as some people believe. At both very few hires and at peak hiring it results in unacceptable consequences. In mathematical terms it would be said, “it blows up”.

The summary of the contract is confusing. It appears to say greater not lesser of the two. That is not how it has been implemented. From a logical thought process, completely devoid of Envoy salesmanship, lesser makes sense as something realistic to be implemented.

Some people are letting their emotions or desires get the best of them, without thinking this through.
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Old 04-26-2018 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
I appreciate all the feedback on my naïveté and inexperience. I have neither. My statement of the lesser of half or 25 is still correct. The greater of half or 25, as I have shown here, makes no sense in reality, as much as some people believe. At both very few hires and at peak hiring it results in unacceptable consequences. In mathematical terms it would be said, “it blows up”.

The summary of the contract is confusing. It appears to say greater not lesser of the two. That is not how it has been implemented. From a logical thought process, completely devoid of Envoy salesmanship, lesser makes sense as something realistic to be implemented.

Some people are letting their emotions or desires get the best of them, without thinking this through.
Or maybe some people refrain from publicly posting opinion adverse to the grievance filed in order to not potentially weaken our position during negotiations and/or a potential future arbitration. People need to quit negotiating in public.
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Old 04-26-2018 | 09:27 AM
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I'm not sure what TransWorld's agenda is or who he works for, but his understanding of the contract is fundamentally flawed. 50 percent is 50 percent.
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Old 04-26-2018 | 09:47 AM
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If we are so short CAs, then why isn't every CA status declared critical coverage for the whole month?
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