CA Shortage Critical
04-24-2018 | 07:54 AM
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04-24-2018 | 09:07 AM
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04-24-2018 | 10:38 AM
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Why wait? Get your apps in now. If/when someone calls for an interview and gives you a job offer, THEN decide whether or not to stay with Envoy and what they do with the flow. If you wait, it is that much more seniority gone by.
04-24-2018 | 10:47 AM
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From our perspective as pilots, it is. But the company would have to pay EVERYONE more if they raise pay. Why should the raise pay and pay DFW or ORD captains more when they can continue to band aid things for much less? Forced upgrades, HVAs, TDYs, junior man, canceled vacations and squeezing the flow all cost much less.
04-24-2018 | 11:06 AM
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From our perspective as pilots, it is. But the company would have to pay EVERYONE more if they raise pay. Why should the raise pay and pay DFW or ORD captains more when they can continue to band aid things for much less? Forced upgrades, HVAs, TDYs, junior man, canceled vacations and squeezing the flow all cost much less.
The only good advice put out in this thread is to have your apps out. We know there will be an uptick in attrition if they mess with the flow. Why are we complaining and worrying about something that hasn't even happened.
04-24-2018 | 11:35 AM
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Let's not forget that it was the company that put themselves in this position. I would argue that it can't be considered "operational necessity" when the company purposely ran out half the pilot group and put themselves in this mess. In the event that this actually happens, maybe it is finally our wake up call to band together.
04-24-2018 | 11:51 AM
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One example is metering to 25 no matter what. The contract states half of AA classes will be Envoy through the end of the PP group. With the large numbered classes over the past year and looking at retirements and class sizes going forward, Envoy pilots come out on the losing end.
As an example, say the classes are 60/month all year. With the metering to 25, 60 Envoy pilots during this hypothetical year would be denied their flow and place on the AA seniority list.
As we all know, the airline pilot life is built on seniority. It's not good enough just to eventually make it to AA when hundreds of guys come off the street above you because Envoy managers decided to interpret the contract to their benefit and not yours.
As an example, say the classes are 60/month all year. With the metering to 25, 60 Envoy pilots during this hypothetical year would be denied their flow and place on the AA seniority list.
As we all know, the airline pilot life is built on seniority. It's not good enough just to eventually make it to AA when hundreds of guys come off the street above you because Envoy managers decided to interpret the contract to their benefit and not yours.
As the summary APPEARS to be worded, it is half or 25, whichever is GREATER. (I wish it was worded more clearly.)
Let’s say at peak retirement AA hires 160 per month (within the realm of possibility). This interpretation would mean 80 Envoy Pilots would flow every month. At that rate, pretty much every non-lifer CA would flow in a year. That would cause Envoy to completely collapse. Ask yourself, would this be what the contractual people would have agreed upon? It would not make sense.
Further, if this interpretation is correct, where is the greavance / lawsuit?
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