False advertising by Envoy
05-05-2018, 09:47 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by SilentLurker
So next big question.... are we getting IAD next?
Since AA said to reservationists that Envoy is taking the E145’s from TSA’s 15 regional jet routes out of IAD, while Skywest will take over 12 from XJT routes out of DFW?
Some say it makes more sense to transfer them to Piedmont, but reading statement from CEO Pedro, it’s coming to ENY’s operating certificate no point coming here to then transfer it to Piedmont.
I’m reaching here but I guess it won’t matter if there is a Envoy/Piedmont merger in 2019, I get it. But then we get into a situation where it’s no longer false Advertisement or white lies from recruitment due to “changes” (keeping it on topic). Someone needs to run the numbers & data of a merged group at MEC/ALPA level, stay ahead of it vs behind this possibility.
Since AA said to reservationists that Envoy is taking the E145’s from TSA’s 15 regional jet routes out of IAD, while Skywest will take over 12 from XJT routes out of DFW?
Some say it makes more sense to transfer them to Piedmont, but reading statement from CEO Pedro, it’s coming to ENY’s operating certificate no point coming here to then transfer it to Piedmont.
I’m reaching here but I guess it won’t matter if there is a Envoy/Piedmont merger in 2019, I get it. But then we get into a situation where it’s no longer false Advertisement or white lies from recruitment due to “changes” (keeping it on topic). Someone needs to run the numbers & data of a merged group at MEC/ALPA level, stay ahead of it vs behind this possibility.
05-05-2018, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
So apparently the graphic seen by the FA has some chance of happening.... However, just because we keep the planes doesn't mean we get the base. Also, why are we taking planes from TSA and still giving planes to PDT?? It just doesnt make sense from the outside looking in. I wonder how long it will be before they announce the 20 Eagle 175s that Compass has been flying coming to Envoy?
05-05-2018, 11:15 AM
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Can any recruiters out there explain why the union’s flow projection is different than what the recruiting department pitches to the new hires? I’ve heard them say it accounts for “outside attrition.” However, isn’t the one of the main reasons why people come here, is because of the flow to AA? I don’t see how they can account for “outside attrition” that isn’t gaurenteed to happen.
05-05-2018, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by jonrayburn
Can any recruiters out there explain why the union’s flow projection is different than what the recruiting department pitches to the new hires? I’ve heard them say it accounts for “outside attrition.” However, isn’t the one of the main reasons why people come here, is because of the flow to AA? I don’t see how they can account for “outside attrition” that isn’t gaurenteed to happen.
05-05-2018, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jonrayburn
Can any recruiters out there explain why the union’s flow projection is different than what the recruiting department pitches to the new hires? I’ve heard them say it accounts for “outside attrition.” However, isn’t the one of the main reasons why people come here, is because of the flow to AA? I don’t see how they can account for “outside attrition” that isn’t gaurenteed to happen.
05-05-2018, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Seaplane
From what I gather they use the historical average of the last 5yrs to calculate an average yearly attrition, then factor in the top ~250 who will not flow, and then the small amount of retirements. The union flow plan is if every pilot were to flow and no attrition. So I can see where recruting gets some of the numbers... But like any salesman, I’m sure they stretch that final number out some also.
05-05-2018, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
So apparently the graphic seen by the FA has some chance of happening.... However, just because we keep the planes doesn't mean we get the base. Also, why are we taking planes from TSA and still giving planes to PDT?? It just doesnt make sense from the outside looking in. I wonder how long it will be before they announce the 20 Eagle 175s that Compass has been flying coming to Envoy?
05-05-2018, 12:14 PM
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False advertising by Envoy
Originally Posted by cr700
PDT has a fixed number of aircraft in the fleet plan that we will be transferring. Remember this fleet plan was put in place before 140s and 145s started returning to Envoy that weren't originially planned. We'll be getting the planes....and the base. Big growth plans for Envoy in the future. Stay tuned.
I find it hard to disagree. I also remember TSA getting the boot at LGA also. I remember how AWC lost AA flying and we got LGA back + growth at LaGarbage due to both TSA & AirWisky getting the boot.
05-05-2018, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamesthunder
In addition, if we pick up LAX and compass flying, are we not a national airline at that point?
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