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Swayne The Way
Look everyone, what's your problem. If what he's doing isn't it your favor and you want him to address something else then any of you can pick your cell phones, address the situation and post it too on YT. Stop ****ing in his cup. Times change and every situation is different. His time is now and to some of us he's given us a clear insight of crew scheduling of being on reserve and holding a line. Plus a bit of pay expectation.
If there are issues with management what has he got to do with it? C'mon guys give him a break and let him enjoy his regional life. The more negative you sound towards him the stronger and smarter he gets. I'll be 1000% willing to fly with him any day and time. Do you know how proud my dad will be to see me as the first pilot in an airline environment in the family's entire generation? From shoving snow in MD to lawnmowing in NC+ Louisiana and FL: All in order to pay for flight training including time 1.5k hours and tell me once if Envoy offers me a job I'll walk away. (Of which I was offered, gladly accepted and signed over a year ago) Let's all with real here and nothing personal to anyone here. Sorry if I have but it is what it is I guess. |
Originally Posted by Helij3t
(Post 2840917)
Look everyone, what's your problem. If what he's doing isn't it your favor and you want him to address something else then any of you can pick your cell phones, address the situation and post it too on YT. Stop ****ing in his cup. Times change and every situation is different. His time is now and to some of us he's given us a clear insight of crew scheduling of being on reserve and holding a line. Plus a bit of pay expectation.
If there are issues with management what has he got to do with it? C'mon guys give him a break and let him enjoy his regional life. The more negative you sound towards him the stronger and smarter he gets. I'll be 1000% willing to fly with him any day and time. Do you know how proud my dad will be to see me as the first pilot in an airline environment in the family's entire generation? From shoving snow in MD to lawnmowing in NC+ Louisiana and FL: All in order to pay for flight training including time 1.5k hours and tell me once if Envoy offers me a job I'll walk away. (Of which I was offered, gladly accepted and signed over a year ago) Let's all with real here and nothing personal to anyone here. Sorry if I have but it is what it is I guess. Second, most people could care less about the person, his lifestyle, his personality or his YouTube channel. Good on him for making a name and becoming famous in this small world. The problem people have is that he is an active Envoy recruiting asset that is encouraging, regardless of him actually saying it, people to come here when we are in the midst of contract negotiations. While his videos are not lies, they certainly dont tell the entire story. They dont tell the issues with the contract, they dont talk about how CS will break the contract when they see fit, they dont talk about how low our pay has become, they dont talk about our crappy reserve rules, they dont talk about our hostile management and hostile CPO's, etc. He is a recruiting tool for the company, end of story. If he wasn't useful to them, they wouldn't allow him to do it and that is the problem. He is either supporting the company agenda or he is supporting his fellow ENVOY PILOTS agenda. If you can't see that, well that is your problem and not ours. |
Originally Posted by Cyio
(Post 2840921)
First off, proofread before you go onto a tangent. Not saying I am perfect but your post was hard to read.
Second, most people could care less about the person, his lifestyle, his personality or his YouTube channel. Good on him for making a name and becoming famous in this small world. The problem people have is that he is an active Envoy recruiting asset that is encouraging, regardless of him actually saying it, people to come here when we are in the midst of contract negotiations. While his videos are not lies, they certainly dont tell the entire story. They dont tell the issues with the contract, they dont talk about how CS will break the contract when they see fit, they dont talk about how low our pay has become, they dont talk about our crappy reserve rules, they dont talk about our hostile management and hostile CPO's, etc. He is a recruiting tool for the company, end of story. If he wasn't useful to them, they wouldn't allow him to do it. If you can't see that, well that is your problem and not ours. |
Originally Posted by Helij3t
(Post 2840922)
Thanks for your reply please make a video explaining all this and counter his approach and misleading info out there if that's the case.
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Originally Posted by Helij3t
(Post 2840917)
Look everyone, what's your problem. If what he's doing isn't it your favor and you want him to address something else then any of you can pick your cell phones, address the situation and post it too on YT. Stop ****ing in his cup. Times change and every situation is different. His time is now and to some of us he's given us a clear insight of crew scheduling of being on reserve and holding a line. Plus a bit of pay expectation.
If there are issues with management what has he got to do with it? C'mon guys give him a break and let him enjoy his regional life. The more negative you sound towards him the stronger and smarter he gets. I'll be 1000% willing to fly with him any day and time. Do you know how proud my dad will be to see me as the first pilot in an airline environment in the family's entire generation? From shoving snow in MD to lawnmowing in NC+ Louisiana and FL: All in order to pay for flight training including time 1.5k hours and tell me once if Envoy offers me a job I'll walk away. (Of which I was offered, gladly accepted and signed over a year ago) Let's all with real here and nothing personal to anyone here. Sorry if I have but it is what it is I guess.
Originally Posted by Thedude86
(Post 2840864)
I never said they were good. They might be good for young and future aviators. They’re also good for management, but they are certainly not good for the pilot group no matter if times are good or times are bad.
I’m guessing you’re relatively new in the 121 world. Your “25 million dollar” contract isn’t at the hands of Swayne Martin. It’s at the hands of how many people are showing up for class. It doesn’t matter if you have Jimmy Hoffa and Al Capone in the flesh negotiating for you. If you are still filling classes... you will get jack squat and like it. Swayne Martin is a major influence on how many people show up for class. A lot of people getting into the regionals don’t know that Envoy has some of lowest pay and worst QOL of the industry right now. Sure maybe things are just like they were 2-3 years ago, but the difference is a new hire will have a much better experience at almost any other airline right now. A lot of new hires don’t realize that. A lot of them only know what they hear from recruiters, see advertised on Envoy’s website, and what they see in Swayne’s videos. And I would guess more people see what they think life is like from Swayne than they do from recruiters. He’s a huge influence. No-one has produced an actual counter argument to show how his videos are helping and not hurting pilots. They rely on character attacks calling people salty or jealous if they articulate how his videos are actually hurting pilots. |
Originally Posted by Helij3t
(Post 2840922)
Thanks for your reply please make a video explaining all this and counter his approach and misleading info out there if that's the case.
He and he alone is allowed to make those videos. |
Originally Posted by Cyio
(Post 2840962)
I’m not allowed too. You have to have Envoys blessing else risk a termination for social media. Hence proving my point even more.
He and he alone is allowed to make those videos. |
Well Explained
Honestly I totally agree with everyone. If He's acting on the blessing of Management to produce their line of words for recruitment purposes, then my opinion, I suggest he should be disregarded and may also wish a senior pilot pull him to the side and have a Father and Son talk. Because in the long run, it's going to hurt all of us.
Thanks to everyone and really appreciate the input. I was wrong earlier and I accept my error in misjudgment. |
Originally Posted by poopplop
(Post 2840969)
Why should Envoy, or any other business, trust you to represent them in front of the public after the way you guys have acted on this public thread?
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Originally Posted by Cyio
(Post 2840962)
I’m not allowed too. You have to have Envoys blessing else risk a termination for social media. Hence proving my point even more.
He and he alone is allowed to make those videos. |
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