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Inclined plane 06-20-2019 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 2840021)
So many things wrong here not even going to bother



+1


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Cyio 06-20-2019 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 2839978)
Crazy how you guys are bashing him and then in the same sentence y’all about loyalty. I get everyone’s points and I don’t really agree with them.

I’m gonna be at an indoc soon and his videos have me a realistic explanation of how it’ll look for me. He’s kept it factual and I appreciate that.

In regards to the ugly side of the industry (furloughs, pay cuts, etc...), that won’t be the case for the next 10-20 years (pending a serious crisis). I know y’all are salty, but it’s not this generation’s fault that the industry is great and we’re capitalizing on it.

If you all were in his position, I know you all would do the same. It was said before, we don’t start out making livable wages (though I think it’s livable, but whatever) so anything helps to pay off that mountain of debt.

This is the most tragically delusional post I have read in a long time.

Firefighterpilo 06-20-2019 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2840044)
This is the most tragically delusional post I have read in a long time.

I was thinking the same thing. He is proving my point for me. The real world is about to hit him like a ton of bricks. I had his exact same attitude until one day some guys ran planes into buildings, oil spiked, age 65 and the recession. He doesn’t realize how shaky the deck of cards truly is. When I was new I always would listen to the seasoned guys. As my dad says “you have two ears and one mouth for a reason”. Some but definitely not all, of these rookies have no idea how quickly things change in this industry and the real reason why wages and QOL are improving. I am happy for these new guys and how well the industry is trending but if you don’t learn from history you are doomed to repeat it. Not only do some of these SJS guys not only not learning they are not caring to know about history in this business.

pitchattitude 06-20-2019 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 2839978)
Crazy how you guys are bashing him and then in the same sentence y’all about loyalty. I get everyone’s points and I don’t really agree with them.

I’m gonna be at an indoc soon and his videos have me a realistic explanation of how it’ll look for me. He’s kept it factual and I appreciate that.

In regards to the ugly side of the industry (furloughs, pay cuts, etc...), that won’t be the case for the next 10-20 years (pending a serious crisis). I know y’all are salty, but it’s not this generation’s fault that the industry is great and we’re capitalizing on it.

If you all were in his position, I know you all would do the same. It was said before, we don’t start out making livable wages (though I think it’s livable, but whatever) so anything helps to pay off that mountain of debt.

You are HOPING this is the case. We all are. But there are so many things that can make the industry go south in a hurry.

wiz5422 06-20-2019 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 2839978)

In regards to the ugly side of the industry (furloughs, pay cuts, etc...), that won’t be the case for the next 10-20 years (pending a serious crisis). I know y’all are salty, but it’s not this generation’s fault that the industry is great and we’re capitalizing on it.


Wait until.you talk to the CA who were hired and told they would be at AA in 2 years. They also thought the industry was golden for the next 10 to 20 years. Read some history on Pan Am and eastern airlines of you think AAG is solid.

You have a lot to learn and HAVE BEEN WATCHING TO MANY OF SWAYNE'S VIDEOS.

pitchattitude 06-20-2019 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by wiz5422 (Post 2840131)
Wait until.you talk to the CA who were hired and told they would be at AA in 2 years. They also thought the industry was golden for the next 10 to 20 years. Read some history on Pan Am and eastern airlines of you think AAG is solid.

You have a lot to learn and HAVE BEEN WATCHING TO MANY OF SWAYNE'S VIDEOS.

Swayne may just be “presenting facts” but FOX and CNN both present the same news but don’t have the news cast.

He just needs to quit broadcasting until Envoy pilots get a raise.

henryjj 06-20-2019 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2840139)
Swayne may just be “presenting facts” but FOX and CNN both present the same news but don’t have the news cast.

He just needs to quit broadcasting until Envoy pilots get a raise.

Did no one notice he posted the recent video just a few hours before the union news? I bet he won’t post anything until it cools down.

Inclined plane 06-20-2019 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by henryjj (Post 2840265)
Did no one notice he posted the recent video just a few hours before the union news? I bet he won’t post anything until it cools down.



Did you not notice he posted it during active negotiations while our union was at bat? Just because it was posted before the bad news broke does not negate the tastelessness of posting a recruitment video during pay negotiations. Your SA is about in line with Swayne’s, nonexistent.


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buddies8 06-20-2019 11:48 AM

Very true statement inclined plane

henryjj 06-20-2019 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by Inclined plane (Post 2840295)
Did you not notice he posted it during active negotiations while our union was at bat? Just because it was posted before the bad news broke does not negate the tastelessness of posting a recruitment video during pay negotiations. Your SA is about in line with Swayne’s, nonexistent.


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Here’s a question. Do you honestly think his videos have enough pull to determine the success or failure of a contract worth tens of millions of dollars over time? I seriously doubt it. And if he does, he shouldn’t be a regional airline pilot.


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