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uavking 06-19-2019 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 2839590)
He's not saying "come work for Envoy, it's awesome here", he's simply creating videos describing HIS experiences and explaining some basic concepts of the operation as how it relates to pilots. His videos are obviously meant for up and comers who might be in flight training at the moment but have no idea what the life entails.

Social media influencers are one of the biggest marketing tools in play these days. If you don’t believe me, look at the social media operation of any major corporation these days. These pitches rely on subtle techniques to highlight product or concepts rather than a hard sell. This generation somehow thinks a social media pitch is more authentic than Madison Ave, even if they’re fundamentally selling the same product. (The Army is doing this with YouTube videos that show basic training, firing ranges, etc., using recruiters as pitchmen in civvies)

Regardless of duder’s intent (money on clicks, fame, or simply helping the next generation), his videos are free advertising for Envoy full stop. I don’t care if he’s a nice guy, or whatever, because what he is doing is not in the interest of the pilot group in this negotiating environment. It would probably behoove him to show solidarity and lay off the videos and other recruiting appearances until we get a deal.

wiz5422 06-19-2019 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by uavking (Post 2839613)
. I don’t care if he’s a nice guy, or whatever, because what he is doing is not in the interest of the pilot group in this negotiating environment. It would probably behoove him to show solidarity and lay off the videos and other recruiting appearances until we get a deal.

100% agree. Look at any major airline and what their pilot group does for solidarity during furlough and or negotiation times.There are just some things you don't do to harm the pilots as a group as a whole. It is protecting your profession over your self.

pitchattitude 06-19-2019 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by uavking (Post 2839613)
Regardless of duder’s intent (money on clicks, fame, or simply helping the next generation), his videos are free advertising for Envoy full stop. I don’t care if he’s a nice guy, or whatever, because what he is doing is not in the interest of the pilot group in this negotiating environment. It would probably behoove him to show solidarity and lay off the videos and other recruiting appearances until we get a deal.

Absolutely agree. Nothing against him personally. And he can keep making the videos. Just keep them in the can until we have an improved contract. Then he can post as much as he wants.

henryjj 06-19-2019 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2839625)
Absolutely agree. Nothing against him personally. And he can keep making the videos. Just keep them in the can until we have an improved contract. Then he can post as much as he wants.

I bet he will. Let’s watch and see. Also... he released the recent video just a few hours before the union news. So he didn’t even have the opportunity to delay posting as some have suggested.

Inclined plane 06-19-2019 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 2839590)
Hyperbole much? LOL!



He's not saying "come work for Envoy, it's awesome here", he's simply creating videos describing HIS experiences and explaining some basic concepts of the operation as how it relates to pilots. His videos are obviously meant for up and comers who might be in flight training at the moment but have no idea what the life entails.



Leave the kid alone.



And some of you guys are coming off as closed minded bigots, btw. Showing your true colors are you?:rolleyes:



Well why make videos at all? If it was truly just about informing, why not just put out an informational pamphlet on his content?

Answer: It’s not just about information. It’s mainly about his vanity, and as a byproduct, conveniently disguised as informational when most people including the company, know that it is in fact a recruiting tool to sell the company to potential new hires.

So I do roll my eyes when people try to claim that he’s simply “creating videos to share his experience and explain” airline ops.

I’m not knocking the guy, just my opinion and calling it as I see it. It’s his prerogative and I get that.

However, imho, it does make it seem like new hires are mentally challenged special needs kids needing to see these videos just to hack it as a new hire. I mean it’s really not THAT hard to actually require videos. I wouldn’t be surprised to see if he made videos on basic life skills, like learning how to go grocery shopping, learning how to do laundry, learning how to pay your bills, learning how to brush your teeth, learning how to navigate public transportation and how to ride the bus on your own. I heard that it’s in the works to sell stuffed plush toy, emotional support airplanes to help new hires make it through.

I’m being facetious, however I feel as informational as they may be, are entirely unnecessary and probably makes management think twice about paying us a professional wage because they see us as incapable of figuring things out for ourselves and need our proverbial hands held in the form of these videos.


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MEGAFUPM 06-19-2019 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by henryjj (Post 2839634)
I bet he will. Let’s watch and see. Also... he released the recent video just a few hours before the union news. So he didn’t even have the opportunity to delay posting as some have suggested.

Negotiations have been going on since the beginning of April.

henryjj 06-19-2019 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 2839637)
Negotiations have been going on since the beginning of April.

Aren’t there always negotiations?

Cyio 06-19-2019 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 2839590)
Hyperbole much? LOL!

He's not saying "come work for Envoy, it's awesome here", he's simply creating videos describing HIS experiences and explaining some basic concepts of the operation as how it relates to pilots. His videos are obviously meant for up and comers who might be in flight training at the moment but have no idea what the life entails.

Leave the kid alone.

And some of you guys are coming off as closed minded bigots, btw. Showing your true colors are you?:rolleyes:

Closed minded bigots? Not sure how this came up but I feel you are the one judging here not the other way around.

The point is the videos advertise Envoy and only Envoy during some pretty heated negotiations. One doesn’t have to speak support for a product to still endorse it.

I fail to see how this simple point is not understood by some. Lastly, you can disagree with someone and their actions without hating them or who they are.

buddies8 06-19-2019 01:57 PM

So much waisted energy to discuss the pluses and minuses of this guy.
Since he has not been shut down by envoy then envoy supports what he is doing. In other words envoy mgt gains from his stuff. My opinion whether he is or knows it or not, he is a mgt stooge. Truly surprised he even flies the line

CheckWheelsDown 06-19-2019 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2839725)
So much waisted energy to discuss the pluses and minuses of this guy.
Since he has not been shut down by envoy then envoy supports what he is doing. In other words envoy mgt gains from his stuff. My opinion whether he is or knows it or not, he is a mgt stooge. Truly surprised he even flies the line

So, according to him, it's only 7 months OFE reserve. I thought it was much worse... 12-14 months.


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