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MochaSwirl 06-19-2019 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 2839866)
Specifically, I want to know HOW he’s hurting the pilot group and the profession. What specifically is he doing that’s harming your group (wait, aren’t you at AA now that you’ve flowed over in May?) and the profession as a whole, because those are mighty huge accusations to level at an enthusiastic young guy who’s simply making videos trying to explain the life of a pilot at the Regional level. He’s maybe 23 years old, loves what he does (something that chaps his critics), and is making nicely produced videos about his job. I don’t see him promoting the company at all.
So let’s hear it.

I’m pretty sure I explained it crystal clear with my post.

If you choose not to acknowledge the valid points I’ve made on how he is, that’s on you.

And let’s make this clear, I don’t hate this guy. Idc about his orientation.

Many including myself feel a way about this person because his loyalty is sided with the company at a time where it shows they’re clearly against us and his loyalty is not the pilot group and it shows.

But if that’s his perogative then so be it, but that’s a heck of a way to not make friends around here in this hostile environment.

Firefighterpilo 06-19-2019 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 2839866)
Specifically, I want to know HOW he’s hurting the pilot group and the profession. What specifically is he doing that’s harming your group (wait, aren’t you at AA now that you’ve flowed over in May?) and the profession as a whole, because those are mighty huge accusations to level at an enthusiastic young guy who’s simply making videos trying to explain the life of a pilot at the Regional level. He’s maybe 23 years old, loves what he does (something that chaps his critics), and is making nicely produced videos about his job. I don’t see him promoting the company at all.
So let’s hear it.

I have no dog in this fight but I think the ire lands on the fact he has become the voice piece of the airline pilot profession, based off the amount of his followers he has. Unlike Sully or Al Haynes who were proven legends in their own right. He has accomplished nothing in this field he is still a rookie. Hell in this day and age getting a job for a regional requires little less then a pulse and 1500 hours. I am glad he likes making videos and they seem well produced. But I don’t like prospective pilots watching his videos to better understand the career. He paints a very unrealistic picture of being an airline pilot. He is a video version of those ATP glossy ads. He shows only the fun and exciting aspects ie uniform, jet pics, travel. He does a poor job of truly showing what the career of an airline pilot is like. He hasn’t been through the furloughs, pay cuts and 5-10 year reserve time that many of us have been through.

I understand this is all brand new and exciting for him, but in a few years the rose colored glasses come off but those videos never will. Pilots are mainly type A personalities and we are use to seeing the press and public go to guys like Sully, Haynes or hell Yeager. These guys command respect are well spoke and most importantly experienced, two of the three he severely lacks. I am sure he is a great guy and I I wish him nothing but the best, but it irks me that he is becoming a defacto mouth piece for professional aviators. I understand that he is not claiming to be but with his views and followers make no mistake he is.

I am curious if things halted and he was on deep reserve for a few years how the tone of his videos would change. Luckily for him he choose the best time in 50 years to become a pilot and it is going well for him.

450knotOffice 06-19-2019 09:45 PM

Well articulated. There is no doubt that his over the top enthusiasm will be tempered over time. It is inevitable.

Mouthpiece for the airline pilot profession? Not sure I believe that. He’s just another very enthusiastic young kid entering this biz, regardless of the number of followers he has.

henryjj 06-19-2019 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by Firefighterpilo (Post 2839894)
...He paints a very unrealistic picture of being an airline pilot. He is a video version of those ATP glossy ads. He shows only the fun and exciting aspects ie uniform, jet pics, travel. He does a poor job of truly showing what the career of an airline pilot is like. He hasn’t been through the furloughs, pay cuts and 5-10 year reserve time that many of us have been through...

You’re right. He hasn’t been through the “rough times” you’re mentioning. But I also disagree with your statement on his “unrealistic” picture of the job. Have you actually watched any of his videos? I think he does a damn good job explaining topics that no one has talked about online: Ground School, Sims, Reserve, OT, IOE, etc. The latest videos have been nothing but facts and a breakdown of his day to day job. I for one, recently out of flight school, find it INCREDIBLY helpful for understanding my soon-to-be job.

They aren’t exciting videos. They’re actually pretty boring, and not in the least bit “glossy.” Here’s a thought... Isn’t there enough out there readily available online to dissuade people from this career? Harsh forums, union negotiations, negative press, strikes, low wages, etc. Airline pilots do a damn good job of complaining online. Hell, it almost turned me away from becoming a pilot. I don’t think there’s any doubt that someone seriously looking at this career path will discover those negative factors.

And yet... I find it refreshing that someone with positive energy is advocating FOR people becoming pilots. Have you taken a look at his comments on YouTube? People are eating this stuff up. They really love the videos. The ratio of likes to dislikes is staggeringly different. He’s clearly doing something right, or none of you would be talking about him ;)

450knotOffice 06-19-2019 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by MochaSwirl (Post 2839893)
I’m pretty sure I explained it crystal clear with my post.

If you choose not to acknowledge the valid points I’ve made on how he is, that’s on you.

And let’s make this clear, I don’t hate this guy. Idc about his orientation.

Many including myself feel a way about this person because his loyalty is sided with the company at a time where it shows they’re clearly against us and his loyalty is not the pilot group and it shows.

But if that’s his perogative then so be it, but that’s a heck of a way to not make friends around here in this hostile environment.

I respectfully acknowledge your opinion, but don’t really agree with it. I’m not sure that his videos really have as much recruiting power as you and others think. Most young adults out there considering a career in this field are smart enough to realize that Envoy is not the only game in town, nor anywhere near the most “glamorous”. It’s just one of half a dozen regionals vying for pilots. I think most young adults are savvy enough to find the forums, read, and realize that it’s not all rainbows and unicorns at Envoy (or any regional, for that matter). Most will do their due diligence and choose according to their own needs.

As I see it, his vids simply help explain the life of a regional pilot from his perspective. In an overall sense, there isn’t much difference in the daily lives and schedules of pilots for Skywest, Envoy, Expressjet, etc., so his vids can carry over to many different regional airlines.

Just my opinion, for what it’s worth, which is nothing really. 😉

Firefighterpilo 06-19-2019 10:16 PM


Originally Posted by henryjj (Post 2839905)
You’re right. He hasn’t been through the “rough times” you’re mentioning. But I also disagree with your statement on his “unrealistic” picture of the job. Have you actually watched any of his videos? I think he does a damn good job explaining topics that no one has talked about online: Ground School, Sims, Reserve, OT, IOE, etc. The latest videos have been nothing but facts and a breakdown of his day to day job. I for one, recently out of flight school, find it INCREDIBLY helpful for understanding my soon-to-be job.

They aren’t exciting videos. They’re actually pretty boring, and not in the least bit “glossy.” Here’s a thought... Isn’t there enough out there readily available online to dissuade people from this career? Harsh forums, union negotiations, negative press, strikes, low wages, etc. Airline pilots do a damn good job of complaining online. Hell, it almost turned me away from becoming a pilot. I don’t think there’s any doubt that someone seriously looking at this career path will discover those negative factors.

And yet... I find it refreshing that someone with positive energy is advocating FOR people becoming pilots. Have you taken a look at his comments on YouTube? People are eating this stuff up. They really love the videos. The ratio of likes to dislikes is staggeringly different. He’s clearly doing something right, or none of you would be talking about him ;)


Thank you for proving my point. You are brand new to the industry and have no idea what it really means to fly for a living in the airlines. You are the exact person spouting off the exact stuff I was talking about. You know nothing about the ins and outs of this career except for what you see on his videos, and as shown above you preach it like gospel.

I was flying the not to long ago where pilots were getting paid $20,000 a year sitting on reserve at a regional for 5-7 years. How did management get away with such low salaries and QOL? Because people like you would see videos like this and say “gee golly I want to fly shiny jets and travel in a cool uniform.”

Trust me fella you are new to this game. Check back in when you have been in this career and seen yourself and friends take pay cuts or lose jobs because someone is always willing to fly you plane for cheaper. Your attitude will change..

I am all for him being enthusiastic and loving what he does that is refreshing. But when guys like you, straight out of training tell me videos like this are helping you prepare for the career I become worried. This is literally the blind leading the blind,

You have no idea how bad this career was a few short years ago but as long as people still line up to fly “cool” jets management did and could again get away with racing this profession to the bottom.

What you fail to realize is the only reason salaries and QOL improvements have been happening is because of the pilot shortage, that management created with their own greed. These regional jets he so loves only exists because executives found guys willing to fly mainline routes and mainline legs for pennies on the dollar.

I am excited for him and all the new pilots entering the career it is a good time. but it also was in August 2001, things change and they change quick. We as a profession, need you new guys to know the true reality that this career can bring so you have all the facts.

This is nothing against who he is as a person or pilot. Either way he is just a YouTube guy, he is not hurting anything and enjoying himself, but a lot of us come from a time where these “types” of propaganda greatly undermined this amazing profession, and we are gun shy. I believe rightfully so.

By no mean am I trying to attack you or say your belief is wrong. I just want to educate you where some of us are coming from. Fly safe!

tengssuuciurta 06-20-2019 12:00 AM


Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 2839808)
Well, these are three posts that stood out to me after the photo of him and the other guy holding the rainbow flag was posted:









So, yes. Those three posts come off as bigoted.

All the rest is just good discussion, even if I disagree to an extent.

An American flag defaced to express sodomy has no place in a professional environment.

SoFloFlyer 06-20-2019 04:50 AM

Crazy how you guys are bashing him and then in the same sentence y’all about loyalty. I get everyone’s points and I don’t really agree with them.

I’m gonna be at an indoc soon and his videos have me a realistic explanation of how it’ll look for me. He’s kept it factual and I appreciate that.

In regards to the ugly side of the industry (furloughs, pay cuts, etc...), that won’t be the case for the next 10-20 years (pending a serious crisis). I know y’all are salty, but it’s not this generation’s fault that the industry is great and we’re capitalizing on it.

If you all were in his position, I know you all would do the same. It was said before, we don’t start out making livable wages (though I think it’s livable, but whatever) so anything helps to pay off that mountain of debt.

buddies8 06-20-2019 04:54 AM

Not only that but supported and encouraged buy a publicly traded company, guess political neutral does not exists at aag.

Regarding Dwayne, you guys giving him to much coverage, he is what he is, those who support him won't be changing and neither are those against him. So let's just kill this thread for the good of all.

rld1k 06-20-2019 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 2839978)
Crazy how you guys are bashing him and then in the same sentence y’all about loyalty. I get everyone’s points and I don’t really agree with them.

I’m gonna be at an indoc soon and his videos have me a realistic explanation of how it’ll look for me. He’s kept it factual and I appreciate that.

In regards to the ugly side of the industry (furloughs, pay cuts, etc...), that won’t be the case for the next 10-20 years (pending a serious crisis). I know y’all are salty, but it’s not this generation’s fault that the industry is great and we’re capitalizing on it.

If you all were in his position, I know you all would do the same. It was said before, we don’t start out making livable wages (though I think it’s livable, but whatever) so anything helps to pay off that mountain of debt.

So many things wrong here not even going to bother


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