I don’t really care either way but the thought crossed my mind regarding our contract and OT/reserve assignments for OT. Unless the trips are being assigned specifically as “SA”? Although that could potentially spiral back to providing an opportunity not available to everyone else. Even then, I don’t know the full story on that nor do I care enough to look all of that stuff up in the contract. :cool:

That's the problem. Everyone thinks what he is doing is wrong, but is too lazy or uninformed to look it up. Airlines are able to create nonrevenue flights without any input from ALPA. Airlines can pick pilots for these flights. I will ask this again, who do you think performs delivery flights, flights to air shows, or flights to colleges for pilot recruitment? This idea that Envoy has to offer every line pilot the same opportunity is false. What Swayne is doing is outside of revenue flying and is not subject to ALPA. Do you also claim unfairness when Envoy picks pilots to conduct interviews?

So again, I do not care about SM or his videos. I simply posted some ideas based off of our contract that might help somebody else figure out a better argument against his videos. I think I read earlier that you are not a part of envoy and don’t have our contract. We’ve got some different OT rules than the norm, and while you are correct that the airline can create flights at their leisure I was simply stating that there could possibly be an argument that it goes against the contract when assigning said OT trips for his filming purposes as he is not a management pilot. Maybe you do not know this but the pilots who do interviews are designated to work in the recruitment office and are not normal line pilots who are randomly asked to come in on a day off to conduct interviews. Maybe you also do not know this but delivery flights are usually picked up from the factory by, you guessed it, pilots designated as management pilots (meaning that they have special designation and another job title other than line pilot) or by pilots on reserve in accordance with the reserve rules outlined in the, you guessed it again, ALPA contract. So nonrevenue flying here actually does fall under the ALPA contract to an extent.

Everyone thinks they know everything about everything until they realize that they don’t.

So the majority of your accusations are solved if Envoy gives Swayne a title. How do you know they didn't? He has been doing this for years, this thread gets a lot of attention, do you think ALPA isn't aware? Rather than throwing uninformed accusations around, contact your ALPA rep and get to the bottom of it. The accusations on this thread are very serious. Every few months, there is an airline pilot trying to make it on youtube. Most get shut down pretty quickly because they end up violating a company policy. The fact that Swayne has been doing this for so long with so much attention makes me think ALPA is aware and doesn't care.

Ouch... reading comprehension is not strong with this one. I have made no accusations and only speculated on why some of our pilots may be upset. Maybe he does have another title and has been hired by the recruiting department as well but that links back to my original comment of "I do not care". If he is hired or has been hired to have another title then that would mean he would no longer be just a normal line pilot and would then not be held to the normal contract and would have access to these SAs the same as delivery flights, interviews, etc.. (weird, it is almost like I said that before). I replied to you because you are making incorrect assumptions (and uninformed accusations) based on your "experience" about our contract and overall operation when you openly admitted that you do not have a clue. I would contact my rep if I cared and would urge any other actual envoy pilot in good standing with the union to do the same if they care. Cool story about the other airline pilots out there trying to make it, but I am not sure why that matters to the conversation you and I have had. I agree that ALPA is aware and most likely does not care, but in case you have not noticed, there have been far larger issues pressing them in the last year or two that requires more attention (see COVID, AIP, etc) which would make this a really small blip on their radar that could just be on a back burner.

Safe flying out there if you are still doing so.

Your assumptions are incorrect.

Section 24 is Supervisory/Special flying;

Basically if the company wants Swayne to help them as a special PR person, they need to take him off line flying and front his salary as part of the recruiting/management budget. Not line pilot credit. The get around this because Swayne is running his own business using Envoy flying while selling the content back to Envoy.

Section 26 is dedicated to Maintenance pilot positions. These are qualified and bid roles with special contractual pay and rules.

Envoy has the old Eagle contract which dates to the 1980's. It's 700 pages and the most comprehensive regional pilot contract in existence that I know of.

Then I will retract everything I have said. I was wrong on the internet:(.

What's the deal with your union then? Why haven't they addressed this? Contrary to my appearance, I am not a fan of pilot youtube personalities. That's the only reason I noticed this thread. Swayne stuck out to me because he was one of the few that I couldn't find was doing something wrong. If I were an Envoy pilot, I would demand a response from my rep.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think the union can do about it?

It should be treated as any other incorrectly assigned trip should be treated; file a grievance pay & the pilots that would have been qualified to operate any flight Swayne did. This is really common stuff that anyone involved with ALAP should be able to handle.

I've been occasionally involved with ALPA, and I have no clue what you are talking about.
No arbitrator would ever side with the association over a pilot who occasionally does S/As for recruiting purposes. There are also a few annoying things you have to prove, such as quantifiable harm to the pilot group and so on. And all of this with the strict burden of proof that ALPA would have in arbitration.