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Originally Posted by Lahey
(Post 3168373)
lmao nice.
Waaaa waaaa waaa. This thread really shows y’all’s culture over at Envoy. Sad stuff. Sad stuff. |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 3168394)
And you show your small mindedness by thinking a few posts in APC defines a culture.
Sad stuff. wouldn’t call it a few posts - but you certainly have a point, touché. def the minority around here. |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 3168370)
I can almost guarantee you did not have a grievance over 4 minutes. Or that it was seen by an arbitrator. You might want to check your terminology.
I do not see how he is violating the contract. If someone thinks he is, they should file a dispute and show harm. We have quite a few pilots on occasional S/As for various reasons. Would seeking to film a cockpit of a parked aircraft for a kid's Zoom class and being denied by Envoy considered harm? Why can Swayne film for his own profit, while other pilots can't even film a parked airplane for educational purposes? Where is the equal protection? |
Originally Posted by Varsity
(Post 3168428)
Would seeking to film a cockpit of a parked aircraft for a kid's Zoom class and being denied by Envoy considered harm?
Why can Swayne film for his own profit, while other pilots can't even film a parked airplane for educational purposes? Where is the equal protection? Swayne can film because company allows him. There is no equal protection under the RLA. This falls under management rights. Swayne is not the only pilot doing S/As, and when he is bought off his trips, bunch of line pilots pick up his stuff at 150%. Kinda hard to show real harm to our pilots. I don't have the latest number, but 2019 it was around 50 pilots who did recruitment trips as S/As. Swayne wasn't even the most active one. |
Originally Posted by THKooj
(Post 3168337)
he (Cujo) doesn’t even work here.
What are you doing for work these days? If I had to guess, it’d be used car sales. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...36b2da4fa8.jpg Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Shiner
(Post 3168455)
By here are you referring to Envoy? I thought you flowed and got furloughed from “the greatest airline in the world.”
What are you doing for work these days? If I had to guess, it’d be used car sales. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...36b2da4fa8.jpg Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 3168370)
I can almost guarantee you did not have a grievance over 4 minutes. Or that it was seen by an arbitrator. You might want to check your terminology.
The idea that Swayne and Envoy are violating the contract be either not paying him out of management's marketing budget or assigning him flights that some other pilot should have been able to do yet ALPA doesn't think that is important is laughable. I have seen ALPA take far less much more seriously. |
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 3168516)
You are correct. All I had to do was bring it to the attention of ALPA and a corrected paycheck was issued. My point was that if the company is violating the contract, ALPA will address it. If for some reason, the company didn't correct my paycheck, it would have gone through the entire grievance process.
The idea that Swayne and Envoy are violating the contract be either not paying him out of management's marketing budget or assigning him flights that some other pilot should have been able to do yet ALPA doesn't think that is important is laughable. I have seen ALPA take far less much more seriously. Envoy ALPA isn't typical ALPA. They don't rattle the cage in fear of jeopardizing their own flow. Company has a history of targeting and firing union reps. |
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 3168516)
You are correct. All I had to do was bring it to the attention of ALPA and a corrected paycheck was issued. My point was that if the company is violating the contract, ALPA will address it. If for some reason, the company didn't correct my paycheck, it would have gone through the entire grievance process.
The idea that Swayne and Envoy are violating the contract be either not paying him out of management's marketing budget or assigning him flights that some other pilot should have been able to do yet ALPA doesn't think that is important is laughable. I have seen ALPA take far less much more seriously. The only thing that gets done outside of the contract disputes are representation and the odd phone call to scheduling when there’s still time to correct something for a pilot. |
Originally Posted by havick206
(Post 3168575)
The only thing that gets done outside of the contract disputes are representation and the odd phone call to scheduling when there’s still time to correct something for a pilot.
What happens if you directly ask your rep about what Swayne is doing. Get a rep responding in email that Envoy is violating the contract, but ALPA doesn't want to fight it. You can either use that to run a campaign against that rep, or if Envoy ALPA is that bad, start a decertification process. Why pay union dues if your union doesn't want to defend the contract? |
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