Agreed! Our union should have a position on Swayne and management, and if they do, I’m not aware of it. It must be really good to “play” on both sides.

To those that think this is some sort of violation against ALPA, is this your first airline? I have never seen any ALPA contract that would prevent what he is doing. Any ALPA is permitted to have another job. In this case, Swayne's other job is with the same company. That isn't unique. I've created training material that an airline liked and bought it. How is that different?

How do you even know if he’s an ALPA member? There ARE people who don’t join.

I don't. I'm just trying to let people know that even if he was an ALPA member, there is no reason why he can't also work with management. I'm sure Envoy has a pilot recruitment department that has several ALPA pilots in it. They go to colleges and tell people how great Envoy is. That is exactly what Swayne is doing.

Here Comes Swayne
 

Just give him the title of Pilot Recruiter and call it good

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You are grasping at straws. Are you new to 121? Do you realize that management pilots do delivery flights and maintenance flights? What about when an airline brings a plane to an airshow? How do you think that is handled? What Swayne is doing is no different. If your contract has something that specifically prevents management from assigning pilots to non-revenue flights, then you would have a case. I have never seen that before and I would be surprised that Envoy and ALPA would look the other way, so I am going to assume the Envoy contract does not prevent management from picking pilots for special projects that also involves operating aircraft. Again, did you also complain when some pilots are picked to work tables at career fairs?

Ummmm pretty sure we can hate both equally. This is America after all.

Queue the dingbats.

"THIS IS AMERICA"
"I HAVE THE RIGHT TO HATE"
"PELOSI CAN'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME"

Maybe we can get this thread closed, like some people have been asking for for... years? Has it been years yet?

Summary;

Outside pilot accuses Envoy pilots of grasping at straws, supports argument with guesses and assumptions.

Are my assumptions (based on 3 ALPA carriers and 5 contracts) wrong? Does the Envoy contract actually restrict line pilots from taking part in pilot recruitment? Does Envoy contract place limits on what pilots can operate for non-revune flights?