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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 3168578)
What happens if you directly ask your rep about what Swayne is doing. Get a rep responding in email that Envoy is violating the contract, but ALPA doesn't want to fight it.
You can either use that to run a campaign against that rep, or if Envoy ALPA is that bad, start a decertification process. Why pay union dues if your union doesn't want to defend the contract? when I did contract compliance as a volunteer at envoy, only about 5% of the open/shut cases, the pilots that called complaining bothered to actually file anything. of those that did file, only about 30% submitted/uploaded the required evidence, even when you made it super easy for them. |
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 3168516)
You are correct. All I had to do was bring it to the attention of ALPA and a corrected paycheck was issued. My point was that if the company is violating the contract, ALPA will address it. If for some reason, the company didn't correct my paycheck, it would have gone through the entire grievance process.
The idea that Swayne and Envoy are violating the contract be either not paying him out of management's marketing budget or assigning him flights that some other pilot should have been able to do yet ALPA doesn't think that is important is laughable. I have seen ALPA take far less much more seriously. My understanding is that he gets his payment through YouTube ads, not from Envoy. The flights he did for filming was when he was on reserve. S/A flights on rsv do not go above guarantee, so he was flying for free. There are quite a few pilots who do special assignments, and no-one complains about them. I still fail to see where the harm or contractual violation is. |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 3168611)
I have never seen any evidence that Envoy is paying Swayne for the videos. Well, apart from these APC rumors that most of the time are unsubstantiated.
My understanding is that he gets his payment through YouTube ads, not from Envoy. The flights he did for filming was when he was on reserve. S/A flights on rsv do not go above guarantee, so he was flying for free. There are quite a few pilots who do special assignments, and no-one complains about them. I still fail to see where the harm or contractual violation is. |
Originally Posted by THKooj
(Post 3168614)
Exactly. Another example is those on SA who work in recruiting full time. I know guys who busted their a$$ in recruiting working sometimes 60 or 70 hours a week and doing multiple road shows. Guess how much they got paid? Their contractual SA hours. That's it.
Again the issue that MOST of us have is with being allowed to video Envoy flights and then making money from his YouTube and personal websites with that video THAT NO ONE ELSE is allowed to do. The irony of this is that besides THKoolAid and Swayne, MOST people now won’t even admit to working at Envoy on social media so don’t even WANT to take any pictures or video lest someone ever be offended and run afoul of the company. It doesn’t matter if you ever say something good, but say one little thing that may offend someone or anything negative and you risk losing your job. |
Originally Posted by pitchattitude
(Post 3168704)
But those guys in recruiting are still line guys and not personally financially benefiting from doing so.
Again the issue that MOST of us have is with being allowed to video Envoy flights and then making money from his YouTube and personal websites with that video THAT NO ONE ELSE is allowed to do. The irony of this is that besides THKoolAid and Swayne, MOST people now won’t even admit to working at Envoy on social media so don’t even WANT to take any pictures or video lest someone ever be offended and run afoul of the company. It doesn’t matter if you ever say something good, but say one little thing that may offend someone or anything negative and you risk losing your job. Is it fair? Not necessarily. Is it a contractual violation? No. |
Originally Posted by pitchattitude
(Post 3168704)
Again the issue that MOST of us have is with being allowed to video Envoy flights and then making money from his YouTube and personal websites with that video THAT NO ONE ELSE is allowed to do.
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Ok I’m a line guy and I want to record some flying for my personal vlog. Will they let me do it without his name?
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 3168789)
Why can't you wrap your head around this? Envoy does not have to give every pilot the same opportunity when it comes to stuff outside of line flying? If my airline wants me to hire me as a photographer, my boilerplate contract would still give me the right to make money with the photos.
You can't just pick and choose who you let break the rules. If Envoy want promotional material they can pay for a professional company to do it. It's like saying a pilot can use their laptop during cruise but only because they are writing a novel about the history of Envoy which they later sell to a publisher. |
Originally Posted by climb150
(Post 3168876)
You missed the point. Envoy let's Swayne use company time to record content and use that content to make money through a third party not related to Envoy. Envoy only let him do it for free PR.
You can't just pick and choose who you let break the rules. If Envoy want promotional material they can pay for a professional company to do it. It's like saying a pilot can use their laptop during cruise but only because they are writing a novel about the history of Envoy which they later sell to a publisher. This is true. An FOM violation is still a violation with company approval to violate. |
Originally Posted by climb150
(Post 3168876)
You missed the point. Envoy let's Swayne use company time to record content and use that content to make money through a third party not related to Envoy. Envoy only let him do it for free PR.
You can't just pick and choose who you let break the rules. If Envoy want promotional material they can pay for a professional company to do it. It's like saying a pilot can use their laptop during cruise but only because they are writing a novel about the history of Envoy which they later sell to a publisher. They can pick and choose as much as they want, as long as CBA does not restrict them. |
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