Originally Posted by Thedude86 (Post 2841195)

Dude, that has not been your main argument lol. Again, professional diverter.

And I completely understand business PR. I never said Swayne is bad for business. Quite the opposite actually. Swayne is great for business. Bad for the pilot group.

You remind me of my ex-wife. You hear what you want to hear, interpret it in a totally different way, and change the subject when you realize everyone is making a valid argument.

There are a few other posters on here that are ok with Swayne’s videos, but I don’t have a problem with them because they’re sensible and rationale. You on the other hand are way out in lala land and all over the place and I don’t think anyone on here is taking you seriously.

Originally Posted by Inclined plane (Post 2841170)

Look, no one is wanting to make YouTube videos representing the company besides Swayne. You seem to to misunderstand that fact.

Folks were only complaining about being expressly told (and made to complete online training) about not being able to post any sort of pics or videos while in uniform on any social media. You know, like posting selfies on Facebook.

The original annoyance with Swayne however, was that only a few weeks after being told via HI6 that no one may post any pics or videos in uniform or on company property, on any social media, a newhire starting basic Indoc goes and starts posting company sponsored videos.

Even though the videos are company sponsored, they were a direct contradiction of what the company just said no one was allowed to do. They offered no explanation to the pilot group, and instead double downed on their deadline for all to complete the mandatory social media abstinence training.

This does not mean that Pilots here actually wanted to make videos like Swayne, (aside from perhaps Aviator Chavez) so your plea to understand the company’s “financial risk” “to allow their brand to be represented” by other envoy Pilots besides Swayne, is way off the mark. No one is wanting to. No one is bitter about that. No one cares to. No one can believe you are trying to make a point about that, at least I can’t.

All anyone is currently annoyed about, is that he may potentially be helping management and may be helping recruiting during critical pay negotiations when the company is on record saying healthy class sizes are directly negating the need to increase pay.

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Originally Posted by poopplop (Post 2841202)

I've only made two simple points. I'll try to spell it out.

1. The conduct in this thread has been marred by a lack of professionalism. So it is understandable that Envoy management would be wary about allowing its pilots represent its brand on social media.

2. The conduct in this thread has been marred by a lack of professionalism. There are more respectable, professional, and effective ways to voice concerns and encourage actions to better the position of the pilot group.

Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2841244)

This is the common tactic of someone that is trying to change the direction of a disagreement that they can't win into something that they can.

We are not arguing for the right to post videos, you know that so stop pushing the argument. The only reason us posting videos even came up was because you tried to tell us to post counterpoint videos.

The issue is a fellow pilot posting recruitment videos not telling the full story during a time of pretty intense negotiations. You notice how this topic has swelled since the company walked away from the AIP, which also happened to be the same day he posted another video?

Stop trying to change the topic.

Originally Posted by poopplop (Post 2841270)

Not once have I made any comments about the videos themselves because AGAIN, I don't mind people having one opinion or the other. I have only made comments about the unprofessional posts on this thread and the counterproductive consequences they might have. You responded to my comments. If you didn't want to talk about that, why did you respond?

Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2841275)

I am going to be done responding to you on this matter. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2841060)

Any action at this point that helps the company or shows them in a positive light is a direct affront to the current pilot group and the union.

Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2841064)

There have clearly been some posts that have been aimed personally at Swayne and his lifestyle and whether you agree or disagree either side of the subject, they have no place on this forum and thus have no bearing on this issue.

Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker (Post 2841338)

He made it about that when he brought that desecrated abomination of an American flag and slung it up in front the company’s plane. Fair game. Professionals leave that sort of thing at home when they come to work.