Originally Posted by poopplop (Post 2841152)

I am not even discussing whether or not pilots should or shouldn't dislike the videos. My statements have been simple. I have started by saying that personally attacking people anonymously and in public is unprofessional, not to mention cowardly. The fact that anyone's sexuality has been brought into this thread shows just how embarrassing the conduct has been so far. Do you disagree?

Then, I responded to posts that attacked someone for having company permission to use their brand in social media, while they don't have that same permission. I challenged you to put yourself in Envoy's shoes and understand what a financial risk it would be to allow their brand to be represented by a group of people who have no problem publicly calling people "disgusting" because of their sexual preference. You are not anonymous. Envoy management knows you are Envoy pilots and can read these posts along with the general public. Why should they trust anyone here with their brand without vetting them first? There shouldn't be any complaints here about being forbidden from representing Envoy in social media, because there is proof here that Envoy pilots at large can't be trusted.

Finally, I understand how it looks that Envoy specifically allows certain posts that don't portray it in a negative light, and how a logo can be used as subliminal advertising even without direct "recruiting". If you disagree with the videos and/or their timing, there are certain channels to be used to have your concerns addressed professionally. I wonder how many of you have talked to your reps, or to the person himself, before making personal attacks here from behind your screen name...?

Originally Posted by Thedude86 (Post 2841163)

I never made any arguments about being professional. That’s all on you.

And obviously the company wouldn’t trust anyone else because they know they would tell it like it is. No one would show up for class. “I don’t know why that’s so hard for you to understand.”

Originally Posted by poopplop (Post 2841166)

When did I say you made an argument about being professional?

And again, "telling it like it is" isn't always in the interest of the business, especially in this business. It's their business prerogative to limit the use of their brand. Feel free to keep whining about it.

Originally Posted by poopplop (Post 2841152)

Then, I responded to posts that attacked someone for having company permission to use their brand in social media, while they don't have that same permission. I challenged you to put yourself in Envoy's shoes and understand what a financial risk it would be to allow their brand to be represented by a group of people who have no problem publicly calling people "disgusting" because of their sexual preference. You are not anonymous. Envoy management knows you are Envoy pilots and can read these posts along with the general public. Why should they trust anyone here with their brand without vetting them first?

Originally Posted by Firefighterpilo (Post 2841165)

You are a professional diverter. None of the points you keep spouting anyone here is debating. It like if we are arguing the color of a tree and you keep interjecting the average weight of a bark beetle. They are not related points nor important to the argument. Nowhere has anyone argued your above points.

Originally Posted by Thedude86 (Post 2841168)

You claimed I was saying your argument wasn’t legitimate. I never said legitimate. I said professional. Like the previous poster said, “you’re a professional diverter”.

No one is arguing what the company’s prerogative is. Everyone on here is basically saying the same thing... Swayne’s videos are not helping the pilot group.

Originally Posted by poopplop (Post 2841174)

Now you're confused. When I said legitimate, I was talking about my screen name, not whatever argument I was making. Try to keep up!

For the 10th time, what you think about the videos is your rightful opinion and doesn't bother me at all. But there are ways to voice that opinion without making yourself and your colleagues look bigoted and unprofessional.

Originally Posted by poopplop (Post 2841174)

For the 10th time, what you think about the videos is your rightful opinion and doesn't bother me at all. But there are ways to voice that opinion without making yourself and your colleagues look bigoted and unprofessional. And before you start, I'm not talking about you specifically.

Originally Posted by Thedude86 (Post 2841177)

I not once made any comments that would make me or anyone else look bigoted. If anything I said they were uncalled for.

Originally Posted by Thedude86 (Post 2841177)

Would you rather talk about stupid comments that 3 people made on an anonymous forum or would you rather talk about how to put an extra 20k in your pocket every year? Unless you’re management....

Originally Posted by poopplop (Post 2841183)

^I guess I added this part too late..Of course. Let's ignore all the terrible personal attacks made in this thread since it's the only way anyone here can be taken seriously. So, let's talk about it. Have you made any communications to your reps regarding these videos? Or is anonymous online b**ching the only plan?