If I understand correctly, you have to pay back all bonuses in full, if you leave within the 1st year. Prorated within the 2nd year.
None of my business, but if I may ask,
-How long have you been here (Envoy)?
-Am I correct to assume that you're retired or prior military, coming through RTP?
-What is it specifically that makes you miserable? As the other guy asked, is it Envoy specific, industry specific, or just a general dealing with civilian life this side of the industry?
Because if it's the latter, I would say that we ALL vets went through that ordeal. I had a hard time readjusting to civi life after I got out. I wanted to throat punch everybody! But I eventually chilled and just accepted the way things are, but continued my own style of business as usual. I thought it was just crappy at the first place I went when I got out. I was wrong. In the end, it's the same no matter where, just different colors and names on the doors.

Anyway, do whatever doesn't make you miserable.

 

Don’t know about the RTP part, but the bonus is pro rated after 12 months, by the month. Definitely want to stick it out the first year if possible, but that is from hire date, at least, not the finish of training.

 

I laughed so hard at the throat punch part! 😂

 

Cause it’s true!!

 

Please don't involve the rest of us RTP guys in your decision. If the airline isn't right for you, that's understandable and fine. However, I know more than just some of the RTP guys (and I am one). I don't know of any of them that are unhappy here, or that are contemplating quitting.


In regards to your original question though... I do know someone who got an UNSAT on his MV/PV... no second chance, he was asked to go home. The company did not ask him to repay his RTP costs or his $20k sign-on bonus. He is now an FO at another airline.


Might I ask where are you in the airline? Are you still in training? Are you through IOE? Are you holding a line yet? Life gets IMMENSELY better when you hold a line, and reserve times are near zero. If you're just hating life in training, I promise it gets better. If you aren't holding a line yet, I promise life is grand once you do. Between trip-trading, and bidding for lines... I've been consistently "away from work" for 14+ days a month!

 

How enjoyable was your first year in the military?

 

I get a chuckle when I see all these people advising the OP’s of these “break my contract” threads to do the right thing and pay up. These regionals have been ******* pilots over for years while management types took it to the bank. If they could they would be still raping you and the only reason they aren’t is there aren’t enough pilots grabbing their ankles anymore. Anyone who treats an employee like these airlines have historically treated their pilots doesn’t give a crap about you or your family. I fail to see why we should care about their financial loss, they never cared about ours.

 

What don't you like? Is it Envoy specific or just the airline life?

 

I appreciate all of the input on this thread. To answer questions about what I don't like, it's a few things. I am recently out of training, and training was a disorganized mess. There were even DEC's in my class that were struggling.

My first year and every year in the military was awesome and fun. I would say the difference between then and now is the family factor.

It was an exciting endeavor to begin with and the family was excited but it has changed me, not for the better. I went through my "throat-punch everyone" years after active duty and it occasionally resurfaced through training. The schedule is taking a toll on the family; not exactly as we thought it would be, especially commuting. I have come to the conclusion that this isn't the lifestyle for me and my family; perhaps when the kids are grown and out of the house, but not during the growing years...not for me anyway. I will try to make it at least to the 1-year mark so it keeps the payback cost down and remain in good standing.

With respect to RTP, I know many that are still eager and happy to be where they are and they are all young. The ones that are seriously contemplating leaving are the older guys. It's not just RTP, there are some civilian pilots considering the same as well.

Thanks again for the input. Safe flying.

 

Theres no difference between week 1 and week 53 in repayment cost. If you're gonna bail, may as well do it now. Once you pass the year mark, it drops $1,875 per month.