bigtime209

Last year, the flow was 16 years. This year, the flow is 11 years. Next year the flow will be 8 years. 2020, 6-7 years, and then 2021 you'll see the 2016 hires that hit the sweet spot see a 5 year flow. From that point, the flow starts increasing again. This all assumes no additional outside attrition and assumes AA new hire classes keep churning along. The flow is based on projections beginning with 2016 hires and they take a guess to future attrition in projecting that the flow will stay around the 6 year mark in the long run. Bottom line, nobody can predict future attrition. But as long as AA keeps hiring like they have been, 2016 hires WILL see a 5 year flow. Beyond that, who knows how high it will climb. Bro...if you're so happy and EDV, good on ya! If you're so happy, why feel the need to stir up sheeit in the Envoy thread? EDV is a great place with excellent pay and great QOL. If you're happy, then just keep living and be happy. Don't come and stir sheeit up. The guys that come stirring stuff up always come off as bitter.

TransWorld

This is the key. There were relatively few hires for several years. They are rapidly going through those years now.

Say if there are 300 flowing per year, but there were only 100 hired for a year, flow would improve.

Indeed, just a few years ago there were CAs with Envoy that had 25 years since DOH. If you used their amount of years as years to flow today, it would be laughable.

Hope this clears up the confusion. (Your premise would be right if the same number were new hires each year. But it is not.)

in2deep

You literally made an account to come over here as though we give a ****/haven’t heard this before. Maybe you’re just upset you left?

As plenty of people said, you can’t assume future flow times based on those flowing today. There is a lot more at play.

And why do people on the outside assume its flow or nothing for us? Everyone is keeping their apps updated and plenty of people are getting hired at AA outside the flow with only a few years at MQ

yrbroom

I feel like I see this all too often on APC. The current "industry leaders" in terms of contract love sitting on their high horse talking about how great their company is and how could you ever be at any other company. Give it a rest guys. A few years ago, no one cared about Endeavor. Twenty years ago, no one cared about Delta. It's all cyclical.

One day your company, whichever it may be, will take a turn for the worst and be at the bottom of the barrel. I just hope that if/when I end up at an "industry leading" place, for however long it enjoys the top ranks, I'm not piiissing on anyone else.

bigtime209

Not only did nobody care about EDV years ago, they were the culmination of the 3 sheetyish regional airlines on the block merging and thereby forming a mega sheethole. Back then, the newly formed EDV airline took off and effectively led the race to the bottom. Before PSA, there was EDV racing towards concessions. It’s obviously a whole different animal today, but they led the charge to garbage contracts.

highfarfast

Really?

/filler

BobSacamano

Any sense of how many Envoy pilots end up moving on to the likes of SWAL/ UAL/DAL/Fedex/UPS before their flow to AA?

I figure most people that move up move up to AA with the flow, but I don’t know.

havick206

I know of one going to swa in a couple months. Another one interviewing shortly.

Castle Bravo

But...your screen name is Envoy1?

Podrick

Scroll down to the bottom of the MEC news blasts from the union and you can find this updated info.

119 ytd, 11 last month, 6 were FO's.