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08-18-2018, 07:52 AM

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BIueSideUp

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Originally Posted by Cyio

I am right in schedule to flow at 5.5 years on property.

Same here. Pretty laughable how people refuse the math. It's pretty simple and outside attrition will only make numbers better. I used to dog on the flow quite a bit, but the more I've learned as I've been here the less bad it looks.

08-18-2018, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by envoy1

Envoy was my first 121 job a few years back. After 6 months I left for Endeavor as I felt that I was sold a lie regarding the 5.5 year flow which was advertised at the time. I believe the advertising has revised to 6 years today. However I am still in contact with 2 from my new hire class and they said the latest flows are from May 2007. Which is a little over 11 years. I believe the flow is a gimmick and can't figure out how they are able to sell it at 6 years when people flowing are from 11 years ago.

You have a misunderstanding of seniority which is pretty common. Seniority actually has nothing to do with dates. It’s all about how many individual pilots are behind you and/or above you on the list.

08-18-2018, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by EmbaeDriver

At least we have a flow not a review of our app.

Almost 1200 Endeavor Pilots have moved to Delta in the last 5 years. How many from Envoy have done to AA?

08-18-2018, 08:21 AM

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Almost 1200 Endeavor Pilots have moved to Delta in the last 5 years. How many from Envoy have done to AA?

Agreed. Many at Envoy have the immature type responses you see here and don't realize how many Endeavor move to Delta in reality. The numbers are very comparable to Envoy's flow and arguably Delta is a better career choice than AA for many.

08-18-2018, 08:45 AM

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Recruitment was very up front with the flow when I interviewed. The guys on property early 2000s had 15+ years to look forward to. The later they were hired into the 2000s the more that number came down. Hence your 2007 hires being at 11 years. It’s down to 4-5 years for those guys hired a couple years ago. And now it’s trending back up somewhat but it’s not bad. I’m a year in with 5 years projected left. I’m good with that.
What I really don’t comprehend is folks who don’t work here starting threads every few weeks ragging on current employees and our employer and the lies we’ve all apparently bought into. Just sounds bitter.

08-18-2018, 09:54 AM

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Almost 1200 Endeavor Pilots have moved to Delta in the last 5 years. How many from Envoy have done to AA?

But that’s a bad thing if you haven’t gone to delta yet. They’ve hired a ton more than aa/ua.

08-18-2018, 10:50 AM

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Good posts. It’s also important to remember that 6 yr flow is a projection based on today and it’s not a promise of flow in any timeframe

08-18-2018, 11:09 AM

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But that’s a bad thing if you haven’t gone to delta yet. They’ve hired a ton more than aa/ua.

Folks getting hired at Delta from this point forward are going to have a lot of 38-40 year career people ahead of them. Almost everyone I personally know being hired there recently are late 20s to very early 30s.

08-18-2018, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Whiskey4

Average new hire age is about 38. How people move up at each airline will be determined more by the success of the airline than retirements.

08-18-2018, 12:18 PM

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Almost 1200 Endeavor Pilots have moved to Delta in the last 5 years. How many from Envoy have done to AA?

Between 1200-1300 are scheduled to flow by the end of the 2018. There was another 215 that went with seniority numbers in 2013 and another 235 or so that went prior to bankruptcy in 2011. So about 1500 in the past five years and 1700 since the arbitration and flow programs were put into place in 2010.