Envoy Air bonus repayment
09-02-2018, 10:48 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
You should look at the seniority lists. There’s a lot of movement coming on the CRJ soon.
09-02-2018, 10:59 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by LeadFoot
Fair points, but with 9000+ pilots estimated to retire from American in 12 years (correct me if I’m wrong with this), you might flow sooner than 7 years.
09-02-2018, 11:03 AM
#13
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,514
Originally Posted by NeedsMoreCowbel
Appreciate the feedback everyone. I am set to flow in 2026... that’s 7.5 years from now and I’ll be 30. I have a bachelors degree and do charity work regularly. I feel I can get there a lot earlier than 30. Yes I know I’ll still be young and I’ve got this industry by the nads as far as that goes. However, I’m two leg commuting, spending roughly 9-10 hours every time I go up or come home. I’m looking at spending another 2.5 years in ORD until I upgrade. So total upgrade time of 3.5 years at a company that says they upgrade in 18 months. Which they do, just not on the CRJ. I spend roughly 6.5 days at home a month and feel I am cutting Time off of my life expectancy doing this commute. At the end of the day I’m looking for the slightest amount of quality of life and some decent pay. Didn’t know it was so hard to find in this industry... maybe I picked the wrong career. I love flying as much as the next guy but if it’s gonna cost me the next 3 plus years of happiness then it’s not worth it. Life is too short..
However....
You are what, 23? I of all people hate to be that guy who pulls the "when I was your age I was flying ILSs uphill both ways inverted in the snow for $19 sitting reserve in Kew Gardens and I LOVED it!" card, but com'on man!
If you didn't know the "slightest amount of quality of life and decent pay" was so hard to find in the regional industry was hard to find, you didn't pay enough attention.
Again, life is too short to be miserable...but I would submit you need to step back and adjust your expectations just a bit.
09-02-2018, 11:31 AM
#14
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Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 149
Originally Posted by bigtime209
There are many other viable paths to a good career than just waiting around being miserable at a particular regional just waiting years to flow. If the guy was WAY closer to flowing, then I might say stick around and wait it out. But if he's miserable with no end in sight, then he might as well go somewhere that makes him happier and take his fate into his own hands. Many other places great places to go that don't entail waiting around to flow.
09-02-2018, 11:49 AM
#15
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Joined APC: May 2018
Position: E170
Posts: 152
Ouch, I hate to hear stuff like this. Envoy is great for some, but certainly not all receive the same treatment. I decided against Envoy because of the ORD and LGA risk. It would have been even more risky as I would have been one of the youngest in the class, and I wasn't coming in through a pipeline program.
(Disclaimer: the flow, and the majors in general, are not high priority items for me). Keep in mind that once you flow, you'll be a junior pilot again, so you'll be on reserve in a potentially far away land, and that commute that you dread now will likely remain. Yes, you'll be making more, but will the toll on your lifestyle be worth it? When you upgrade, do it all over again. Decisions, decisions.
If it were me, I would definitely be leaving, ditching that commute, living in base, and staying there until I can upgrade in that same base in a few years or less.
(Disclaimer: the flow, and the majors in general, are not high priority items for me). Keep in mind that once you flow, you'll be a junior pilot again, so you'll be on reserve in a potentially far away land, and that commute that you dread now will likely remain. Yes, you'll be making more, but will the toll on your lifestyle be worth it? When you upgrade, do it all over again. Decisions, decisions.
If it were me, I would definitely be leaving, ditching that commute, living in base, and staying there until I can upgrade in that same base in a few years or less.
09-02-2018, 12:20 PM
#17
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,465
Originally Posted by YLpilot
Just a question. Maybe it is too personal but at 23 what is stopping you from moving for a couple years until you upgrade to a line in whatever base you chose?
09-02-2018, 01:27 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by LeadFoot
Fair points, but with 9000+ pilots estimated to retire from American in 12 years (correct me if I’m wrong with this), you might flow sooner than 7 years.
09-02-2018, 01:38 PM
#19
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Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 149
Originally Posted by moon
Just because American needs more pilots doesn't mean Envoy, PDT, or PSA will flow more. It just means American will hire more off the street.
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