ENY vs PSA vs PDT
#22
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Anyway.
If you are employable outside the flow, then going to a WO that gets you on the line fastest is the best option. But if you aren't, then going to a WO with the fastest flow might be the way to go.
For bases, Envoy is DFW/ORD/NYC/MIA, if you already are in DFW, that's obviously a huge plus. You might not get DFW immediately out of training, but you should get it within a few months - assuming you don't get the CRJ which is ORD only. PDT has CLT which is a nice place to live, and PSA has a few good ones, DAY and ORF come to mind.
PDT takes forever to get through training currently, but is probably the fastest way to flow. The flow clock starts day 1 of indoc, and you'll run 6-8 months between indoc and IOE. PSA and Envoy don't have reported training delays, but Envoy has a risk of getting the CRJ which means you'll pretty much never fly, and the 145 reserve is long. PSA will get you a line the fastest, but as of now is the slowest flow.
So, it comes down to the first question I asked - how likely are you to get hired outside the flow. If not very, then PDT is not a bad choice because you'd likely flow a year or two ahead of PSA. But if you are a strong candidate outside the flow, then PSA or Envoy with reservations could be the best choice.
And the usual caveat, we are talking about the regional industry with a 6-10 year timespan, so all of these are moving targets.
#23
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Thanks (filler)
Wow.
Anyway.
If you are employable outside the flow, then going to a WO that gets you on the line fastest is the best option. But if you aren't, then going to a WO with the fastest flow might be the way to go.
For bases, Envoy is DFW/ORD/NYC/MIA, if you already are in DFW, that's obviously a huge plus. You might not get DFW immediately out of training, but you should get it within a few months - assuming you don't get the CRJ which is ORD only. PDT has CLT which is a nice place to live, and PSA has a few good ones, DAY and ORF come to mind.
PDT takes forever to get through training currently, but is probably the fastest way to flow. The flow clock starts day 1 of indoc, and you'll run 6-8 months between indoc and IOE. PSA and Envoy don't have reported training delays, but Envoy has a risk of getting the CRJ which means you'll pretty much never fly, and the 145 reserve is long. PSA will get you a line the fastest, but as of now is the slowest flow.
So, it comes down to the first question I asked - how likely are you to get hired outside the flow. If not very, then PDT is not a bad choice because you'd likely flow a year or two ahead of PSA. But if you are a strong candidate outside the flow, then PSA or Envoy with reservations could be the best choice.
And the usual caveat, we are talking about the regional industry with a 6-10 year timespan, so all of these are moving targets.
Anyway.
If you are employable outside the flow, then going to a WO that gets you on the line fastest is the best option. But if you aren't, then going to a WO with the fastest flow might be the way to go.
For bases, Envoy is DFW/ORD/NYC/MIA, if you already are in DFW, that's obviously a huge plus. You might not get DFW immediately out of training, but you should get it within a few months - assuming you don't get the CRJ which is ORD only. PDT has CLT which is a nice place to live, and PSA has a few good ones, DAY and ORF come to mind.
PDT takes forever to get through training currently, but is probably the fastest way to flow. The flow clock starts day 1 of indoc, and you'll run 6-8 months between indoc and IOE. PSA and Envoy don't have reported training delays, but Envoy has a risk of getting the CRJ which means you'll pretty much never fly, and the 145 reserve is long. PSA will get you a line the fastest, but as of now is the slowest flow.
So, it comes down to the first question I asked - how likely are you to get hired outside the flow. If not very, then PDT is not a bad choice because you'd likely flow a year or two ahead of PSA. But if you are a strong candidate outside the flow, then PSA or Envoy with reservations could be the best choice.
And the usual caveat, we are talking about the regional industry with a 6-10 year timespan, so all of these are moving targets.
#24
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Thanks - I’m getting a strong sense of that fact that ENY is almost 3 airlines in 1 and it’s the proverbial box of chocolates to sign the dotted line for most folks
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Just have a backup offer you would be ok with
#26
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You'll also owe 5000 for the ATP CTP.
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Better off leaving early on in the piece if it’s not going to work for you rather than both you and the company spending time/effort to get trained up and leave 3-6 months later anyway.
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