ENY vs PSA vs PDT
10-30-2018, 05:00 PM
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This (or many other possibilities if movement is half as strong as projected over the next couple decades).
Originally Posted by Varsity
23 years left.. 
He could be in traning 4mo, fly a year, get hired by atlas and be a 747-800 CA by 46.
He could be in traning 4mo, fly a year, get hired by atlas and be a 747-800 CA by 46.
10-30-2018, 05:02 PM
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What relevance does my background have regarding the relative merits of ENY vs PSA vs PDT?
Originally Posted by dera
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to ask.
Nothing wrong with older guys. But if legacy airline is your goal, you need a pretty solid career before aviation to be competitive. If you've been a Starbucks barista for 20 years, you'll never get that call, because your experience level is lower than your peers, with nothing to back it up. And that's when flow would be nr.1 priority.
But if you've been an Astronaut, then flow wouldn't matter that much.
Nothing wrong with older guys. But if legacy airline is your goal, you need a pretty solid career before aviation to be competitive. If you've been a Starbucks barista for 20 years, you'll never get that call, because your experience level is lower than your peers, with nothing to back it up. And that's when flow would be nr.1 priority.
But if you've been an Astronaut, then flow wouldn't matter that much.
10-30-2018, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by fenix1
Thanks a lot for all your thoughts. Can you please help me put with what you’re referring to in your PSA comments in saying “still no A/T though”?
I definitely don’t see myself as “too good” to fly the 145 (or 200) and I’ll dive-in hard on the 50-seaters if that ends up being my best option, all things considered. I’m simply saying I’d rather fly higher credit/block trips more often (instead of 20 minute turns), all other things being equal, as I know many of you understand better than me at this point.
I definitely don’t see myself as “too good” to fly the 145 (or 200) and I’ll dive-in hard on the 50-seaters if that ends up being my best option, all things considered. I’m simply saying I’d rather fly higher credit/block trips more often (instead of 20 minute turns), all other things being equal, as I know many of you understand better than me at this point.
What’s the status of Envoys fleet replacement plan shifting all of 145s to Piedmont/CPA carriers and and all CRJs to PSA and replacing them with new order 175s?
If you already live in Dallas, it may just be worth it to stay, go to Envoy and shoot for Spirit or SWA while you wait to flow. You may have to suck up some CRJ flying or a stint on the 145 to stay in DFW but it would probably be worth it since you already live there and could stay long term.
10-30-2018, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by fenix1
What relevance does my background have regarding the relative merits of ENY vs PSA vs PDT?
10-30-2018, 06:33 PM
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You’ve made it clear that you came to ENY largely due to the flow (and have staunchly defended your decision to do so...), which makes it an ‘interesting’ phenomenon when you steer someone away for the exact reasons that you chose your current employer!
Originally Posted by dera
It was more about WO vs. non-WO, and possible career paths between a legacy airline and regionals.
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10-30-2018, 06:44 PM
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Thanks a lot for the help regarding A/T.
My understanding is that plan is moving along, albeit in fits & starts. Didn’t ENY just announce more 175 deliveries for 2019?
You may well be spot-on that doing what it takes with ENY to make living in DFW work ends up being the best bet, but we’ll load up the U-Haul if that makes sense, too - will keep learning & evaluating. We may not be in the DFW area for the long haul either way, but I’d love to go to work for WN (and could do a lot worse than NK) if flowing doesn’t end up being the right answer.
Thanks again for your help!
My understanding is that plan is moving along, albeit in fits & starts. Didn’t ENY just announce more 175 deliveries for 2019?
You may well be spot-on that doing what it takes with ENY to make living in DFW work ends up being the best bet, but we’ll load up the U-Haul if that makes sense, too - will keep learning & evaluating. We may not be in the DFW area for the long haul either way, but I’d love to go to work for WN (and could do a lot worse than NK) if flowing doesn’t end up being the right answer.
Thanks again for your help!
Originally Posted by Otterbox
No auto throttles in the 145... you have to do some pilot stuff to get on the ground.
What’s the status of Envoys fleet replacement plan shifting all of 145s to Piedmont/CPA carriers and and all CRJs to PSA and replacing them with new order 175s?
If you already live in Dallas, it may just be worth it to stay, go to Envoy and shoot for Spirit or SWA while you wait to flow. You may have to suck up some CRJ flying or a stint on the 145 to stay in DFW but it would probably be worth it since you already live there and could stay long term.
What’s the status of Envoys fleet replacement plan shifting all of 145s to Piedmont/CPA carriers and and all CRJs to PSA and replacing them with new order 175s?
If you already live in Dallas, it may just be worth it to stay, go to Envoy and shoot for Spirit or SWA while you wait to flow. You may have to suck up some CRJ flying or a stint on the 145 to stay in DFW but it would probably be worth it since you already live there and could stay long term.
10-30-2018, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to ask.
Nothing wrong with older guys. But if legacy airline is your goal, you need a pretty solid career before aviation to be competitive. If you've been a Starbucks barista for 20 years, you'll never get that call, because your experience level is lower than your peers, with nothing to back it up. And that's when flow would be nr.1 priority.
But if you've been an Astronaut, then flow wouldn't matter that much.
Nothing wrong with older guys. But if legacy airline is your goal, you need a pretty solid career before aviation to be competitive. If you've been a Starbucks barista for 20 years, you'll never get that call, because your experience level is lower than your peers, with nothing to back it up. And that's when flow would be nr.1 priority.
But if you've been an Astronaut, then flow wouldn't matter that much.
10-30-2018, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by fenix1
You’ve made it clear that you came to ENY largely due to the flow (and have staunchly defended your decision to do so...), which makes it an ‘interesting’ phenomenon when you steer someone away for the exact reasons that you chose your current employer!
10-30-2018, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CrowneVic
I understood what you were saying quite clearly. So, what would make it “impressive”?
The relevant level of impressiveness depends on the scoring grades your major of choice has set for their ATS. Career changers by definition have lower-than-average experience level compared to their demographic group, and thus will need a boost from their past.
I don't understand why you keep asking me about what I think is impressive because it's pretty darn obvious it doesn't matter. But just to entertain your interest, I'd say a good single field career with natural career progression would work, avoiding sideways moves unless they are required for relocation. Those are things that an HR person would look at.
You're getting stuck with one word here. Perhaps I should've reworded that post. "As a career changer, to be considered by a major, you will need a solid employment history in a field that gives you points on your resume review. You will always be graded against your peers, and being mid-40's with 3000 hours and 2-3 years in aviation will put you way below most other mid-40's applicants. Joining a WO regional with a flow is a great backup plan in that case. But if you have a solid career history and a good story on the career change, then you have many possible paths to take and still end up at a legacy airline."
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