fenix1

Very true & the approach I’ve taken in past professional life several times!

fenix1

Don’t get me wrong - mama didn’t raise no dummy neither!

Ideally, for everyone’s benefit, I figure out what’s likely and don’t take the job if what’s likely is a bad fit. But, because ENY is 3 airlines in one essentially and any given Indoc classes’ slots aren’t known until they’re known, I absolutely see how it could be the right answer to bug out at that point (or fill the moving van for ORD).

Otterbox

Leaving in training regardless of circumstances is a potential black mark on your record that you’ll have to answer for the rest of your career. Other airlines may be hesitant to touch you unless you hit certain wickets after you start training.

One of the WO views leaving between indoc and OE as a potential training failure and won’t pick up a person without the completion of a subsequent training program in between. Another has a six month cooling off period between training withdrawal/failures before they’ll consider hiring an applicant. Recently a buddy at one of the WO found that RAH wouldn’t hire him directly from WO training prior to receiving his ATP/Type rating...

I would not recommend leaving your first airline within your probation period. Highly recommend against leaving during 121 training, even if that means sucking it up and flying a jet you don’t want for 6-9 months... unless of course you get a call from a major.

NoValueAviator

It does happen but more rarely than you might think. One 145/LGA guy did not come back for day 2 of indoc in my class. The advice I've gotten is that AAG and any other major that happens to find out about your choice to bail because of base/fleet will not be impressed.

What if they want to give you a bum plane/base at their operation?

The solution I think is just to go somewhere else on the front end where you aren't gambling with the first 1.5-5 years of your airline career depending on the bad judgment of Envoy's fleet planners.

Pedro4President

Coming to Envoy is a gamble for 5 years??? I'd like to hear a scenario that goes beyond three.

Fleet choice now isn't likely to be as bad as you are making it out to be. Yes I agree people on the CRJ have it bad right now but I don't see the same peril for current new hires. Now other scenarios of getting stuck on the 175 when you live in Miami is possible if classes have only 175 slots. But that torture will only last a 12-18 months.

NoValueAviator

5 years would depend on more extensions of the CRJ operation, but how is even 3 wasted years acceptable in this environment?

The next generation of mainline airline pilots is going to be hired between now and 2026. You may still get hired after that, but it's going to be a lot harder, and you're going to spend your entire career a lot less senior.

chrisreedrules

The numbers I’ve seen state that if you get hired on at AA by about 2021-2022 you can hold domestic narrow-body CA or wide body FO in about 5 years. Widebody CA would still be about 20 years out from that hire date. Hired beyond 2023-2024 and I think you’ll “miss the boat” to some extent. You’ll still enjoy a great career compared to what many have experienced in this crazy industry, but not the same meteoric rise in seniority as those hired just a year or two ahead of you.

BigZ

Never know - 4 poor souls were hired into the CRJ last month. Probably just for the giggles.

dera

Hope those 4 OFC's were an exception.
The other 4 were OCC.

BigZ

I count around 20-25 OCC hired since August.
And 4 OFC since March. All in one class last month