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Originally Posted by Ihavenoidea
(Post 2758568)
Searched other threads and couldn’t find anything but do you have to be a CA at envoy to flow? If so, will those 145 ORD FO’s flying 35 hours a month on reserve ever flow?
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Originally Posted by Ihavenoidea
(Post 2758568)
Searched other threads and couldn’t find anything but do you have to be a CA at envoy to flow? If so, will those 145 ORD FO’s flying 35 hours a month on reserve ever flow?
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Yes, all after October 2011 need to have been a captain for a year in order to flow, you can be a captain for a year and displaced to f/o position and still qualify yo flow. Let's not forget your file must be clear of disciplinary or attendance issues too.
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Just as an update for anyone, the latest seniority list came out, the most recent guy who got hired on Feb 11th's flow date is Jan 2028. So a 9 year flow according to ALPA, yes yes there's OAL attrition/people that pass on the flow, but just letting people know what the flow is at right now for a new hire.
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
(Post 2743474)
Spirit and southwest are the only two I am aware of that requires you to list online. Anyone else know of any?
JetBlue, MyIDtravel (you can use the ask desk too) Frontier, using ID90 website to list Alegiant, ID90 website to list Spirit, using their own website to list AA, MyIDtravel or phone for non employees Fedex/UPS/Atlas/Kalitta/Omni/ATI - call to list |
Originally Posted by speedbrakearmed
(Post 2763554)
Just as an update for anyone, the latest seniority list came out, the most recent guy who got hired on Feb 11th's flow date is Jan 2028. So a 9 year flow according to ALPA, yes yes there's OAL attrition/people that pass on the flow, but just letting people know what the flow is at right now for a new hire.
8 is pessimistic, 7 is probably pretty accurate. Assuming no 9/11 v2 events. |
With this level of attrition, the flow for a new hire is 3.5 years :)
(no, I'm not serious, but that's how the math works) |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2763604)
That 9 year drops dramatically during your first months/years here. I moved up 100 spots in the first 2 months.
8 is pessimistic, 7 is probably pretty accurate. Assuming no 9/11 v2 events. |
Originally Posted by speedbrakearmed
(Post 2763646)
That's because you were probably already here when renegotiations happened around 6 months ago for protected pilots to be bumped up to 29 a month. Just because of that renegotiation I slid up almost 1.5 years, but you're not going to see any drastic changes any more again baring 9/11/recession events.
The movement is really, really fast initially. The slowdown rate is hard to predict especially with the future attrition that will happen. I'm guessing I'll move up 500 spots year 1. That cuts almost a year off the union prediction. |
Nope, Envoy promises flow in for everyone in less than 6 years. If it takes longer, there will be guaranteed compensation for lost wages at American.
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