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havick206 02-27-2019 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2771427)
This is the big one, as management here is very mean to pilots. The will tell it to your face in indoc that "you don't matter, because so many people want to work here"

Honestly it’s not as if step letters are handed out like candy. You have to step on your crank pretty bad to get one.

mketch11 02-27-2019 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2771483)
Honestly it’s not as if step letters are handed out like candy. You have to step on your crank pretty bad to get one.

Second hand account: Pilot refuses an assignment (a junior man event on a day off) because he has paid for expensive tickets to a sporting event on said day. Is given a missed assignment. Company didn’t appreciate the pilot refusing to work on his day off, so they dig into his HI10 and see a few sick calls that weren’t “cleared”. Company retaliates by adding a letter to the pilots file for not clearing sick calls. Pilot could care less because he is protected, but just goes to show that a scenario like this could not be that far off for intimidation/or flow prevention for no-protected pilots.

dera 02-27-2019 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2771681)
Second hand account: Pilot refuses an assignment (a junior man event on a day off) because he has paid for expensive tickets to a sporting event on said day. Is given a missed assignment. Company didn’t appreciate the pilot refusing to work on his day off, so they dig into his HI10 and see a few sick calls that weren’t “cleared”. Company retaliates by adding a letter to the pilots file for not clearing sick calls. Pilot could care less because he is protected, but just goes to show that a scenario like this could not be that far off for intimidation/or flow prevention for no-protected pilots.

How long are the attendance letters "active" in your file?

SkylineAviation 02-27-2019 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2771686)
How long are the attendance letters "active" in your file?

There’s not really a stated time frame it’s “active.” I’ve heard in some accounts a pilots been told to revisit to get it reviewed & removed in a year or two assuming no other issues arise.

ERAUAV8TR 02-27-2019 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2763725)
How else are we supposed to kill the time waiting for it? :confused:

6-8 I'd say is a realistic timeframe.

Long prison sentence. Hope you get out sooner!

moon 02-27-2019 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2771686)
How long are the attendance letters "active" in your file?

Step letters are active for 2 years o believe. Someone will be the sacrificial lamb next year. Gotta keep the pilot group in line.

dera 02-27-2019 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by SkylineAviation (Post 2771745)
There’s not really a stated time frame it’s “active.” I’ve heard in some accounts a pilots been told to revisit to get it reviewed & removed in a year or two assuming no other issues arise.

Looks like it's 2 years ("No further discipline"), unless overturned by the grievance and/or System Board of Adjustment procedures. It's in your file for 5 years for PRIA purposes.
(Section 29 M.4)

buddies8 02-27-2019 03:56 PM

so its in pria for 5 years, no place to go then. envoy will hold you until they desire for you to flow. welcome to aag.

dera 02-27-2019 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2771833)
so its in pria for 5 years, no place to go then. envoy will hold you until they desire for you to flow. welcome to aag.

Being in PRIA does not prevent you from flowing. An "active" letter (2 years) does.
ANY airline, by LAW, is required to keep every letter/training record for 5 years. That is not unique to AAG.
Welcome to FAA.

Varsity 02-27-2019 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2771839)
Being in PRIA does not prevent you from flowing. An "active" letter (2 years) does.
ANY airline, by LAW, is required to keep every letter/training record for 5 years. That is not unique to AAG.
Welcome to FAA.

Most airlines aren't as quick to throw letters in your file as Envoy.


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