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Cyio 03-02-2019 04:26 AM


Originally Posted by Dumpy (Post 2773164)
An active performance advisory seems to be related to an event that requires official focus training, which is PRIA reportable, as it involves training records. There is also 'unofficial' focus training, which is non PRIA. Some of this is under the General section in the contract. The PRIA letter is kept in your file for 5 years due to regulatory PRIA requirements, but by contract cannot be used to discipline a pilot after 2 years. There is also an attendance control policy that is referenced in letter 15-01 that can stop flow. I cannot find any other reference in the contract to this policy. I think that they track attendance year by year, but maybe someone else can clear this one up...

Attendance is essentially on a rolling 12 month cycle.

Cujo665 03-03-2019 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2771681)
Second hand account: Pilot refuses an assignment (a junior man event on a day off) because he has paid for expensive tickets to a sporting event on said day. Is given a missed assignment. Company didn’t appreciate the pilot refusing to work on his day off, so they dig into his HI10 and see a few sick calls that weren’t “cleared”. Company retaliates by adding a letter to the pilots file for not clearing sick calls. Pilot could care less because he is protected, but just goes to show that a scenario like this could not be that far off for intimidation/or flow prevention for no-protected pilots.

Anybody who thinks they aren’t vindictive and retaliatory is a fool.

dera 03-03-2019 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2774058)
Anybody who thinks they aren’t vindictive and retaliatory is a fool.

Anybody who listens to you about anything is a fool.

NoValueAviator 03-03-2019 04:19 PM

The contract provides for self-clearing sick calls under certain circumstances, no hospitalizations etc?

Dumpy 03-04-2019 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2774084)
The contract provides for self-clearing sick calls under certain circumstances, no hospitalizations etc?

You must self-clear your illness with the Chief Pilots office (as long as not serious/hospitalization/etc). I am just going to guess that if they dug through someone's file to give them a letter, there was something more going on than simply refusing a junior man...

NoValueAviator 03-05-2019 02:41 PM

I've never done that. I've gotten HI6 out of the blue that my sick calls were cleared, but I don't think there's anything in the contract for that. I just declare myself medically fit to fly on the phone with scheduling. Is it in an LOA/LOU?

buddies8 03-05-2019 02:48 PM

Dera, words escape me so I have to resign myself to jus G. F. Y.

MD-11Loader 03-05-2019 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2774060)
Anybody who listens to you about anything is a fool.

Can’t we all just get along and be bitter at our dog crap contract and management that hates us?

dera 03-05-2019 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2775653)
Can’t we all just get along and be bitter at our dog crap contract and management that hates us?

We all can. But when someone like Cujo who thinks Via is the finest 121 out there comes and tells people how things work at Envoy, I dislike that.
*****ing about Envoy contract should be left to Envoy pilots if they so wish to do.

BigZ 03-05-2019 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2775659)
We all can. But when someone like Cujo who thinks Via is the finest 121 out there comes and tells people how things work at Envoy, I dislike that.
*****ing about Envoy contract should be left to Envoy pilots if they so wish to do.

Damn straight, Cujo wouldn't know a thing about MQ! Who is he to argue with dera!


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